Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, metal's my religion, and yeah, it's my dope. Standing in the thunder on stage in the pouring metal rain. What a feeling, baby, the lights are exploding.

Hello and welcome to the Metalheads Podcast.

My name is George. This is Buke. This is Jay. And we are joined today by Fiend Gotts of Thy Demons Be Scribbling. How you doing today? Doing great. How's everybody? Doing well. It's Sunday. We're just, I know Buke and I are watching the Redskins game on the wall while we're talking here. Jay, he's probably eating something. I am. It's a pumpkin scone this morning. I'm trying to keep it California style. Dude, hey, Fiend man, thanks for coming.

I mean, we're all gonna praise you, but for those of you who don't know.

I'm happy to be here.

Cool, man. I mean, Fiend supports us. We support Fiend. He's a master of tweeting.

He's always got some nice comments on any kind of posts we make, and likewise us to him.

And so it's just nice to have a kind of mutual support society here, man.

It's super cool of you to join us today.

Yeah, and why don't you, before we go any further, why don't you jump in and talk a little bit about The Demons Be Scribblin'.

Jeez. Well, that's our website that Colt and I started up a little over a year ago. Not quite a year and a half yet. We were both a little frustrated with trying to get some of our work out there and getting turned down, you know, here, there, and wherever. Because you guys write. So we both write. We both write horror, original fiction. And we decided, well,

Why Don't We Just Do This Ourselves? And we started up Thy Demons Be Scribbling. And we're both big horror and metal nuts. So we do some album reviews. We do some movie reviews and post our own original work. And along that lines, my first book came out about maybe two months ago. My story, Hell Eights.

Obviously coming from Slayer

was published by Dark Chapter Press.

Nice, dude.

Can't say enough good things about those guys.

They are absolutely fantastic to work with.

And that came out in Kill for a Copy,

which is available on Amazon and Barnes & Noble.

It's a print-on-demand book, so you have to order it online.

Right on, dude.

Congratulations, dude.

I wanted to ask you first.

Thank you.

I second that, too.

We talked to a lot of these bands. How they use Bandcamp has allowed them to get their music out into the world. Yes, I love Bandcamp. Being a writer where I'm not knocking you or saying it's any easier. But is it kind of hard to enter the writing world with it kind of being?

Is it easy to type some words down and push it out there to everybody? Honestly, no. Not really. It can be tough to get your work out there and finding the right medium for it. I've got a stack of rejection letters to prove it. I have a ton of work that still has yet to see the light of day. Creating it is actually the easy part.

If you will, for as easy as that is, and then trying to get it out there is just a bear. And not just get it out there, but get it out there and have people read it, too. Because even what we post on the site, we hit some people, but we don't really know how much it's getting out there. Well, you guys, it's bad, too, because I think other than television and the music industry, the other top three thing that really got hit

because the internet was publishing. It's also just fell through the floor. Dark Chapter Press is just a small startup. UK Press. I'm kind of a small business guy. That's what I was looking for anyway was a small publisher. They can actually work with you. They're trying to get their name out there too. They don't want to put any poor quality stuff out.

I know the other one was print on demand, but they are actually going to print up copies. Well, I've seen you holding copies, so I take it back. So they are putting up copies for Kill for a Copy. Yeah, you can get an actual physical copy or a digital download for like Kindle and whatnot. Cool. It's on Amazon, I assume. Yep. Oh, yeah. Amazon, Barnes & Noble and Waterstones, I think is the other one.

a UK bookstore.

That's one I'm not familiar with.

Cool.

Now, Fiend, I don't want to speak for you, but us as metalheads, I think part of the reason why we like heavy metal is since it's not popular, it's so obscure and underground that we're a family.

Oh, absolutely.

It's the same way with horror, too.

And that's where I was going with this.

I see all these horror cons or I see them at hotels here in the area all the time in the DC area. Is the same true for the horror world? Is that kind of why you also like it too that it is that family sense? Oh yeah. Oh absolutely. It's all interconnected. To me I see the two very interconnected between metal and horror but you don't see the crossovers as much as I would think you would.

But yeah, both very niche, very family-oriented, because if you love a terrible movie like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre or something, there's a small amount of people overall who love that too. We're going to talk about a terrible one today that I'm interested to see if you've seen it. But go ahead. I'm sorry to interrupt you. That's all right. Cool. It has to do with what are we listening to. When we get to what are we listening to, I'm pretty sure

Guys, did you have to bring on a writer for me? This is three guys I'm talking to now who blow me away, you know, education-wise. This is the most nervous I've been yet. Why, it's very serendipitous. I'm just a regular dude at Buke, just the same as you guys. Hey, but Fiend, well, how did your path lead you into horror?

to start with.

Because, you know, every guest we've had on before, we talk about kind of what was your introduction to heavy metal.

What was your introduction to horror and metal?

But my introduction would have been, like, I've been listening since I was a little kid.

I have my oldest sister.

I have two sisters.

My oldest sister is like five years older than me.

So when I was about nine, ten years old, she had her first boyfriend.

and he was a metalhead. Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, and that's where I started. My first album I ever bought was ACDC's For Those About to Rock. And then my first cassette, which were popular when I started buying music, was Ozzy's Diary of Mad Men. Nice. Totally crossing. Yeah, I was probably about 10 years old when I met. And it's just been downhill ever since.

In horror, it was really about the same because I got into it. My sister used to torment me because I couldn't watch. I was too scared to watch the Amityville horror, the old 1979 one. I couldn't even look at the TV. Then I finally worked up my nerve. I'm like, I'm going to watch this thing. Then I was able to watch that.

Phantasm, I remember staying up watching it late at night with my mother because she didn't like to watch horror movies alone. And she still won't. She hasn't watched a horror movie since I left home. Dude, I gotta tell you. I'm sorry, I was breaking in. It's just Phantasm, Phantasm, one of my top three favorite horror films of all time. And people do bring it up, you know what I mean? There's just so many great things about that pretty cheesy flick, really, you know? But I love that movie, dude. Well, you know what's funny? It's like its own ending.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

It's funny is that one of the movies that absolutely terrified me as a child that I didn't actually watch other than Bits and Pieces until I was older was American Werewolf in London.

Oh, yeah.

That was already by the time I saw that I was kind of like I was becoming a hardened horror fan by then.

Yeah.

Then it was funny.

It was like, yeah, it's a really funny movie.

Yeah, exactly.

But when I was, you know, 8, 9, 10 or whatever, when it first came out, and I'd just seen like clips of it, like the elevator sequence at the end, or like the escalator thing where he's like coming up the escalator. Yeah. And, you know, some of the changing scenes, and like the scenes with his dead friend. And that just, just like the, those little clips gave me horrible nightmares. And, uh, well, you know,

He was just saying too, you know, Fiend, you were mentioning, and this is something I don't think people could relate to today, even though we have so much television now with all the cable channels. But I remember, you and I are probably close to the same age, it sounds like, and I remember when Amityville Horror, The Exorcist, and like Friday the 13th were like movies of the week, you know what I mean, like on network television. Oh yeah, absolutely. And they terrified me, dude. I did. I couldn't sleep those nights. I had to watch them, but they just freaked me out.

I remember the last one that like really freaked me out I went to see a double feature with my mother at the drive-in Stephen King's Cujo and Creepshow double feature and Creepshow that that very first one where the father rises from the grave and Bedelia where's my cake you bitch I was having nightmares the whole night and then I'm like I need to get over this

I was in nightmares and stuff. And I was like, finally, it just clicked. Like, it's just a movie. It doesn't matter. It's fake. And I haven't had a problem ever since. It kind of ruined it in a sense. But like, now I enjoy, that's why I enjoy watching all this crap. I'd like to hear maybe your top favorites. I mean, that might not be easy for you, but if you got a top three or something. May I ask one question first, Fiend? Of course. No, go ahead.

That's why he can do this. Exactly. Screw J. Bukes next. No, because lists kind of like... Yeah, they'll take time....end things and take time. In metal, we see trends and genres, you know, rise and fall in popularity. As myself as someone who really doesn't watch horror movies or TV, I guess maybe the only thing that scared me as a kid, I hated that Crypt Keeper from Tales from a Crypt.

on HBO or as a kid. But I know the Japanese-inspired horror movies or the Asian-inspired horror movies have become really popular. What is your take on those? Like The Ring and all those ones where I don't know why, but some girl fucking walking funny is scary all of a sudden. That shit terrifies me. That's when I stop watching horror movies.

I can't I find them like the ring I thought was decent movie but overall I found it boring exactly I'm not I'm not big into most of time like ghost story like a lot of Japanese ones are a lot of ghost stories ghosts and vampires is what they seem to be into a lot and I just I don't know I find those kind of boring I'm not a big vampire guy and for the most part and also it seems now here in the states

I know you just said you don't like ghost stuff but the movies are trying to do like that found footage type of stuff oh my god it makes me want to puke when I I've literally turned ones off when I realize it's found footage yeah like I won't even watch it but I mean there are a few good ones if you've seen there was one that came out recently I think last year as above so below okay it's a found footage

which that style is annoying but it's a good story it's like a mystery so that was a good one but a lot of them i can't even they make me want to puke i can't stand up they won't stop making yeah it won't stop dude they put one on every week it seems like what did you think of blair witch yeah we're in blair witch country here and i did like that by the way i once did i saw that in the theater way back when it first came out and it was like the first one at that time of like the found

So it was something new, and it was interesting. I thought it was very interesting. But then since then, it's just been flooded with so many of them. And so many of them are just absolutely horrible, too. I mean... Yeah, because anybody can imagine. I like Bobcat Goldthwait made one. Oh, God, I trashed it, actually. And then I like Bobcat. He's directed a couple other decent movies, but his first shot at horror,

Was this one, uh, it's like married to that hot girl. I honestly, I stuff rumors and all that kind of stuff. I forget. He did one on, uh, it's like on Bigfoot and it's like a found footage thing. And it drags out and drags out and drags out. And then finally at the end, you're, you're hoping, I was hoping to see somebody torn apart, you know, for some kind of payoff for sitting through this for an hour and a half. And it doesn't,

happen. I'm like, I want to jump through the screen and kill somebody.

If they'd at least had some troglodyte music in there, that would have been something.

I'm loving that. We're turning into strange territory now.

You know, Fiend, I guess you were saying you don't like those found footage movies now.

I know in the horror world, a lot of people love cheesy horror. Like something. Oh, I love some of the good B movies. Yeah, like the good B movies. Like something that looks so fake, like a guy's organs being ripped out. And I'm like, please, this is, this is so cheesy. What about, uh, what about something that's, uh, like Tucker and Dale versus evil? Oh, good. I liked it.

I love Tucker and Dale versus evil. It's like one of my favorites. Yeah, I love that. And it's a total one. That's like totally for like horror insiders. There's so many inside jokes in that thing. And I love it. It's funny as hell. Yeah, it was a good one. What about like the evil deads? Army of darkness? This is my favorite one. It's funny because I just watched the first one here a few weeks ago. And my girlfriend kind of liked that. And then we watched evil dead two. Here.

like two weeks ago and she hated it. She absolutely hated it. That's so awesome. And I love it. I'm a huge Bruce Campbell fan. So anything he touches. I even watched Burn Notice when he was on that. Yeah. You must be so ready for the series then, right? I've been watching the trailers and stuff where it looks freaking hilarious. I love Ruby Bruce. What about the reboot, Evil Dead? I liked it very much.

I asked my son to see it at the theater and it was funny we had like this 15 16 year old girls like sitting right next to us and they're like screaming and I that cracked me out it was fun it was cracking me up the whole time that was one of those ones too that when I first like I we mentioned Amityville Horror and all that stuff when I saw that one man oh that first one scared me so bad when I was a kid me too see I didn't see the evil dead like the first one I guess they're like

When it first came out, a buddy of mine introduced it to me. I was probably like 21 or so at the time. I was really a horror fan by the time I saw it. I didn't sleep for a week, dude. I didn't. I was watching it with friends in high school, and I was like, what the fuck are we watching this for? Evil Dead? The first Evil Dead? Or Amity? First one. First Evil Dead. Yeah, that scared the crap out of me.

the second one and I'm like oh wait the second one's funny yeah yeah that's what yeah

that's when Bruce started kind of being more Bruce and then by army of darkness I think of that as just a comedy mm-hmm all right now I want to hear that list man just give me saves and I know that's hard but like what he would like if you can top three favorites or would at least be in the top three you don't have to put it in order if you don't work oh no it's yeah it would really depend on the day you asked me but like some of my favorites are

Or like old school, like Phantasm that we mentioned. Love that. I still watch that. I still want that car too, dude. Yeah, exactly. Probably, I don't know whether I would go with the first Texas Chainsaw Massacre or I honestly really loved the remake of it. And I know that some people just hated that because they love to hate remakes, but I loved the remake. It was awesome. For a third one that I absolutely loved,

I loved when I was a kid was the original Poltergeist. Oh yeah. I remember that the face peeling scene where he goes in the bathroom and peels off his face. I just want the other day I was really craving to go back and watch a movie I haven't seen in a long time that I really loved and it was Nightbreed. Fuck yeah dude that's a great movie. I just watched the director's cut that they redid on Netflix probably like two three weeks ago because I hadn't seen that movie

in years and years and the directors the new one that they just put out dude i just watched it too is it any good is it better is it worse longer but it's it's i thought it ended up it was a fuller story i guess i would say yeah that'd be nice yeah that's a great movie it's actually it's fun at netflix yeah i'll check it out yeah i love that one and that was one of the i love clive barker uh and that's actually one of the

His stories that I've never read is what that's based on. Nightbreed. Yeah. It's not called Nightbreed. I can't remember what it's based on. There's the name of the book. Yeah. Cabal. Cabal. Yeah. I read that. I read a bunch of all his early stuff. It's like a short novella. Well, the Hellwister one is a very short novel. It's more of a novella than a novel. Yeah. The Books of Blood of his were the first horror books I ever read. Those early short story ones. I had these copies with bitchin' covers too, man.

I don't have any more. This was like in school. The Books of Blood were, I used to have the, a couple years ago they put out a collection with all of them in one. Yeah. And I had that. Somebody borrowed it and never returned it. But I love those. But my first Barker was In the Flesh. His book, a short story, is called In the Flesh, which has the story that Candyman is based on. Oh, right on. It's short. I think it's like 10, 15 pages. It's not much of a story. What do you think about things like,

Like, particularly with Mr. Stephen King, where they take a short story and make a movie that has absolutely nothing to do with it. For example, Lawnmower Man. To be honest, his short stories seem to translate to better movies than his novels have. Fair enough. And the Under the Dome show, I can't even watch it. Oh, God, it was so bad. As soon as I realized it had nothing to do, I mean, other than the fact that there's a dome, then they just sort of,

It was originally supposed to be a short miniseries. And then it picked up steam and got popular. So then they made a full series out of it and then made the second season. I stopped watching it after the first season. I'm like, really? I can't take it. That was the last Stephen King book that I read that I really enjoyed. I thought it was a really good book.

and all that people would call the classic ones. But there's a great film that came out a few years ago that was based on a Stephen King. I liked it anyway. It was this version of The Mist, the modern version of The Mist. It's the best fucking movie, man. Didn't see it. Oh, dude. It's like, it just, it goes all Cthulhu at the end. It's fucking great. And that, like the last scene on it, I will tell you. I love that last scene. That's just so, that's so me. It's like the ultimate tragic, like, oh my God, he does that.

and then boom you're saved it's devastating yeah you can't know george because you got to watch it because it's like but yeah that's that's an excellent one i was a huge stephen king fan when i was like that was my first like adult read was the stand mine was christine and mine was i was like oh it i didn't read it until a little bit later i was probably like 16 or so when i when i read it but i was like i was like 10 or 11 when i read the stand one of my favorite

stories all time. It's the stand, I think he means. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The, uh, I remember I bought the unabridged hardcover when that came out, this massive tome. And, uh, I was like, this is the greatest book ever. It is great. It really is good, man. I read the, I read the original and then the unabridged came out like a few years after I had read it. And then I picked up the unabridged version too. But yeah, it was like three, 400 pages more. I'm like, holy crap.

How much more can you put in there? And they just can't make it into a good movie or a series. No. I saw a couple years ago Ben Affleck was actually attached in trying to write up a script. He was thinking of doing it as like two movies. But I think since then, because now he's going to be Batman, he's moved on from that so he's off the project now and somebody else is on it. But they are looking to make it into a movie, probably like two features.

Isn't Gunslinger gonna be a TV series? Yeah, there's something come about that. I did hear something about it. I don't know if it's for like Netflix or Amazon or something. Because I know like Amazon Prime does some shows now too. But yeah, I haven't seen anything on that in a little while. But I had heard that they were making a series out of that too. Should be interesting. Well, hopefully it'll be interesting. Yeah, hopefully. Those were some, it kind of went off the rails a little bit towards the end.

But the first few of those I really liked. Sorry, I can't add anything with books. I'm sorry. Words in them. Words and stuff. I did write a kid's story a long time ago, Buke, I can send to you. It is a little wordy. It's probably about 20 pages long. If it's one of those books that my 15-month-old night,

can point at.

I never asked, did you have a little boy or a little girl?

I have a little girl.

This is a story about a princess, so it would work for her.

Awesome.

I'm serious.

I actually wrote one a while back trying something different.

I'd love to see it.

I figure someday I'll find somebody that can illustrate it.

I can't draw to save my life, so if I can find somebody to illustrate it,

You know, maybe we'll do something with it someday. Right on. Shall we get into the guts of the show? Want to get into the guts of the show? I'd make all my damn notes, you know. He has to justify all this homework that he did. Yes. Just jump in wherever you feel the need. George, I want to know if you have like a little list of that, because that was really, we got a horror writer on today. I want to know if you're going to be saying a lot of things like, should we get into the guts of the show? This is good. I hope you got a list of things to say. Let's do the bloody news.

I just want to say for the record we've gone about what about 40 minutes here or so and Buke has not met Sonopeth yet I think he's trying to quit it's coming at some point today it's coming so a couple weeks ago Buke had the opportunity to head up to Lancaster PA and check out a show and I was

I was hoping maybe he'd tell us a little bit about that. Of course. A couple weeks ago by myself I drove an hour and a half to see a revocation with Artspire, Blackfast, Cannabis Corpse and I had the opportunity to interview Aaron and Ryan from Blackfast. They are one of our one of

My, not speaking for everybody, favorite bands and albums of the year so far. No, you can speak for everybody on that. I know George likes it too. It's a cool kind of black and thrash, but not even that, these guys just fucking riff it out. And interviewed Dave of Revocation. As you're hearing the interview, he is a genius in music, in guitar playing.

So it was an honor to speak to him and hear how he kind of takes his college education and transfers that to playing. So if I'm to know correctly, George, we're going to play the interviews now? Yep. Okay. Without further ado, here's my interviews with Blackfast and Revocation.

Hey, this is Buke from the Mental Heads Podcast, and it is an honor for me to be joined by Dave of Revocation, for those of you who don't know, the lead singer, guitar virtuoso, the genius that he is. Dave, how's everything going today? It's going great. How are you? I'm doing wonderful. I made the drive up from D.C. area today. You guys do play in Baltimore on Monday.

Unfortunately, I have to work on the holiday. So, came up here to wonderful Lancaster PA to see you guys. Now, you guys are on tour right now with Blackfast, Archspire, Cannabis Corpse, and your guys' selves. What's the second, third day on the tour? Yeah, it's, well, it's the second with the whole package, and then the third show for us, because we did like a warm-up show in Providence. How was that? It was fun. It was like a small little club called Dusk, like just kind of out.

It was a fun time. Last night was insane. Played Manhattan. Got to see all the bands and meet everybody. Last night was really terrific. I saw you guys made a post on Twitter and Facebook that you said last night was one of the best shows you guys have had in a while. Yeah, it was probably 300 people there in a smaller place too. Just going absolutely apeshit. People were literally hanging from the rafters.

Stage Dive and Circle Pitting for the entire duration of our set. So it got a little crazy up there. I mean, people knocking over the mic stand and one dude went flying into the drum kit. That's awesome. So it was just a wild time. And you left there without being like Randy Bly and you didn't unfortunately push somebody. I did push someone off, but no one. He hasn't done it, right? Yeah, no, no, he's fine, yeah. No one got fucked up. So it is always a concern, obviously.

You know, when you're playing, you don't want to see anyone get hurt. But I find metal crowds, it's weird. It's like this insane entropy happening where everyone's flaming around and flipping upside down. I saw dudes doing like backwards somersaults off the stage and you're like, oh my God, is that dude like alive? And then they pop up five seconds later in some other part of the crowd. And you're like, all right, well, it's like this weird undercurrent of hair and everything like that. Soaks them up and spits them out somewhere else.

I don't know if you saw the clip on the internet. It was out maybe a month or two ago of some pit. And, you know, those kids who like to spin around and flail their arms like windmills and stuff. Somehow this kid brought a trash can in. Like a WWF style Undertaker coming out of the rope with a trash can. And was hitting people with a fucking trash can. So luckily you guys didn't have that at the show last night. There was no, you know, Paul Bearer wasn't there.

Yeah.

So the last year, year and a half for you guys has been a whirlwind year.

You guys released Deathless last year.

I have no problem saying it again.

It was my number three album of the year last year.

Amazing.

Amazing work from you guys.

You guys in that time switched record labels also, but a little bit before that, right?

That was in the spring or summertime?

Yeah.

Yeah, we, you know, basically our contract was up with Relapse and we shopped around to a bunch of different labels and a bunch of them made offers. Ultimately, you know, we went with the best offer and we're really excited to be working with Metal Blade. You know, now having been involved with them for about a year and seeing how they work the record and the whole cycle, we're very, very pleased with them and, you know, we've definitely become friends with a lot of people there and stuff like that.

So it's a great relationship and we're looking forward to continuing that into the future. Have you had a chance to, I'm sure you have, interact and meet Brian, of course, and dealt with him? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Brian's great. Yeah, yeah, he's, you know, we've gone to a couple dinners and had some meetings together and he's just a really great, knowledgeable guy. I mean, he's been in the scene for such a long time and he's super supportive of us, which is great. I mean, I think the biggest compliment you can receive is, you know, when someone just kind of

you do your own thing. It isn't like wanting to hear demos at every stage of the way. They just let us... That's kind of let you guys be. Right, right, which is great because that's how we're able to create. We write music for ourselves first and foremost. It's great when you have people that are backing you that have the confidence that this is the first time we're working with them but we know they're going to deliver a beautiful product. We had Brian on the podcast.

I think earlier this year or late last year. And the thing that stood out for me is how for a guy who's been in the industry, you know, since first putting out that Metal Massacre demo back in the day, he still doesn't seem bored with it yet, if that kind of makes sense. He's still flying the flag bigger than some bands are flying their own flags. Right. You know, you always see him going to shows. You always see him supporting his bands. You always see him.

happy for the success his bands are seeing. He doesn't seem like he's, you know, sitting on this pile of money locked away from everybody else. He seems so accessible to everybody. And again, just like you said, so supportive of you and the band. Yeah, yeah. He's great. And, you know, he's definitely one of those people in the scene that are sort of, you know, one of the pillars of the metal scene, right, in a lot of ways. You know, kind of holding it up and, you know, keeping that ship, you know, sailing. Yeah.

Now, to get back to your guys' year again, you guys also, your friend and drummer, left the group. You know, with this internet age we live in, things can come out on both sides and things can really be said and it can start a big argument and stuff. But what we saw on the outside, at least from what I read, seems like it was you guys just kind of left on good terms, which in this day and age seems rare. Right. Yeah, you know, he's doing his own thing and we're super supportive of him and all his future

endeavors and um you know i know he's working on some different musical projects

um which i'm stoked to to hear um so yeah it was just one of those things where we we parted ways um

and you know we wish him the best yeah and you brought in one of from one of my favorite

fucking bands from ash from three inches of blood awesome yeah he he really is uh an incredible drummer and um

A.B.L.D. is a bit of a secret weapon. Three Inches of Blood certainly have a great caliber of musicianship and stuff like that. But Ash can do so many things behind the kit. Three Inches, we're going for a modern take on traditional heavy metal. But Ash can play in odd time meters and flow with just so much grace. He can do blast beats. His feet are on fire with the double bass.

I mean, he really, we really lucked out getting Ash behind the kit. And it also worked out great because, you know, three inches, you know, are sadly, you know, breaking up. But at the same time, it wasn't like we had to like sort of poach him away from something or anything like that. So there's no, there's no blood blood in terms of that at all. I mean, Cam's not here fucking coming out through the shadows. Right, right, right. No, he's going to strangle me. You know, but it's, it's that their band was coming to a close.

and he was a free agent and he filled in for us in Europe and we just hit it off super, super well and we saw his skills. I mean, from like the first rehearsal that we did with him, it was like, holy shit, this guy is like on fire. So, yeah, I mean, we're super lucky to have him in the band. Now, he at the time was living in Canada, right? Yeah. He still is. He still is? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, actually, interesting.

We just got his work visa. So he actually missed the first two shows of this tour. Yeah, yeah. We had Charn from, you know, John Rice from X-Jab for Cowboy. He fills him for 1349, now plays the Scorpion Child. So he helped us out in a bit. Because without him, we would have had to cancel the first couple of shows. We went through all the proper channels with, you know, applying for the visa. We even paid for getting it expedited. But it's just one of those things where, you know, sometimes it just gets caught up in this, you know, web where,

You're expecting an answer back and it doesn't come and then you're kind of like, well, we're supposed to hear back a week ago. And so here in this area, we call that the Sodom effect because with Maryland Death Fest, Sodom always says they're going to be there. And then they say, oh, visa issues. I mean, everything was was was super legit, like I said, but it was just it was one of those things where it just didn't come. You know, it came a couple days late. Shame that they missed him, too. Yeah. Yeah. So so he just we just picked out the

airport today.

But he's got his work diesel for the next year, so we're good to go.

But it's definitely one of those nail-biter things, because you're like, oh, man.

This could snowball quick into a big, big problem.

You guys, before you know it, could have been 10, 20 dates in.

Right.

Wow.

So with Deathless being released last year, I first found you guys around the Chaos era.

And even before that, when I first saw you guys, blew me away with your playing, and we'll get to that in a moment. But for lack of a better term, what's stuck out to me about your latest release is you have a mature sound. The experience of doing this for a while is starting to show through. And the hooks to that album were just hitting you in the face the whole fucking time. What do you think about how that album turned out?

and the critical reception it was receiving. Obviously, you guys seem like it sold well. You guys debuted them well on the Heat Seeker charts and everything like that. Yeah. Every album, it's sort of another evolution for us. I think we're further honing our sound. We listen to so many different styles of music, different types of metal, different genres. I think we're always honing in on

What is Revocation going to sound like in 2014 and 2015? I think every year we come closer and closer to getting to that, crafting that sound that we're striving for. And I think you can be in different mental head spaces. Revocation in 2009 is going to sound different than Revocation in 2015 because we don't want to be that band that's just resting on our laurels and staying in the same place.

We always want to push it to a different direction. Still have it fall under the umbrella of revocation, but just we bring out more of this element or scale back more of this other element. But I'm incredibly pleased with how Deathless turned out, and I think it's really just sort of a great... It's sort of, I think, the pinnacle of our sound. I stand by every record we do, but to me, Deathless is my favorite one that we've put out. I think it's definitely the most mature.

I think it's the heaviest. It's got a dark undertone to it. And it also, I think it's our best playing, too. Now, as somebody who, and this is probably the most interesting thing about you, college educated in jazz, correct? Well, I went to Berkeley. They have different majors there. So I didn't major in performance.

But I did take a lot of performance classes. My major was professional music, whatever the hell that means. It's sort of like a choose-your-own-adventure major. So I did a lot of education courses. I did a little bit of music business. I did a lot of performance stuff. But I did study primarily with jazz guitarists there. I took primarily courses involving performance in a jazz or blues kind of element.

to them.

Have you played, I'm sure you have, you've played in jazz bands and blues bands?

How does that stack up to playing in a tech deaf band? Is that harder?

Yeah, I would, I mean, to do it well, I would say so. I mean, I'm just sort of, in the past, I would say, you know, a couple years diving more into trying to be a little bit more serious in terms of like jazz and stuff like that,

because it really just requires so much dedication and time. When I was going to Berkeley, you know, you're in college, so you have to make the grades. You're taking a whole bunch of different classes. So one class could provide a year's worth of intense sort of study and knowledge that you could get out of it, but you're only taking it for one semester. And then multiply that out by however many courses you take in a semester. So I feel like you kind of,

You can't fully dive into everything. So I feel like just now I'm sort of going back through a lot of my old books and some old transcriptions and stuff like that and really digging into it. So yeah, I would definitely... I mean, I think jazz and classical are definitely the two hardest genres and demanding. I've heard that book. Yeah, well, I mean, jazz, it's all improvised. I mean, there's certainly you have to memorize forms and different heads and stuff like that, but I mean, the majority,

of it is the solos and stuff like that. So it's insanely difficult to have that freedom on the instrument. So it's something I've been working on. With metal only being around a couple of decades now, is it also kind of harder with jazz and blues having such an already storied history?

of famous groundbreaking musicians who have been setting the bar and raising the bar each time. It's kind of almost daunting too to try and stack up to that and, you know, realize that you're trying to play something. You know, a lot of fans, in their eyes, they already, I guess, you know, to kind of put it in terms like looking like a Muddy Waters or something. People may hailed him as like the metal version of like a Sabbath. I guess where I'm going with this is I lost my train of thought.

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I think I'm a

a metal guitar player who's trying to work on that and take a humble approach to that. Just because even if I never become a great jazz guitar player, I think there's so much that I can learn and apply to my own sort of style. Part of, for me, guitar, being a musician in general, is just trying to find your own voice. So I think the more you expose yourself to, the wider your color palette is that you're going to be able to draw from when you're

You know, painting, whatever, you know, to use like a painting metaphor. So it's like, if you only listen to, you know, one band, right, you know, you're sort of, your influences are sort of limited. But if you listen to everything from Cannibal Corpse to Beethoven to John Coltrane, you know, you're going to have all these different, you know, amazing, brilliant musicians. Thank you for justifying Elton John by those that I own. There you go, right? You know, there's, there's,

You just get more of an influence to draw from to hopefully craft your own sound and craft your own voice. So that was one of the things that studying with all these different jazzers at Berklee really kind of drilled into me. Find your own voice. Don't just be a carbon copy of someone else. Music is supposed to be an expression of your own personal emotions and feelings. So don't just try to emulate someone else.

by emulating, of course. But you want to try to move past just sounding like

whoever and to really try to find their own identity.

Now, you just mentioned the word you just used earlier, masters.

You have, I'm not asking you to toot your own horn here, on the internet and in trades,

you've been called the best guitarist in metal today.

I've seen it multiple times in print, on websites and stuff like that.

If this is the first time hearing that, or if you've heard it before,

Does that get in your head at all? And do you take a stop back and first say, whoa, of course, thanks, but damn, that's a big weight to put on your shoulders? Yeah, I mean, I've seen different accolades like that, and it's always, you know, it makes you feel good, obviously, and it's nice to feel that you're appreciated and people really like what you do, and it's very humbling, you know, but at the same time, I try not to think about it, you know, too much.

Because as far as technique, there's always going to be someone who spent those extra couple hours with the metronome working on that. For me, it's more about the writing and stuff like that. If people really enjoy my writing, that's amazing. But it's also a very subjective thing too. Someone might think I'm great, but someone else might like this guy better, that guy better. I try not to think about that too much other than just to have

like a warm fuzzy feeling and then you know get back to practicing or writing because if you let that stuff get in your head too much then it's like all of a sudden you start you know thinking you're Dave Mustaine well you know you just start thinking you're you know the shit you know what I mean and then you stop trying right then you start trying exactly exactly so if you always and then it doesn't sound like you care anymore your your heart isn't in it right and that's that's you know just getting back to what I saw before with jazz that's why I like pushing myself

to do something that's out of my comfort zone because it's so humbling and it's like, fuck, I suck. I have to go back and practice this more. So there's always just so much to learn. I think the second you sort of stop learning or stop caring about learning, you're dead in the water because I think there was a composer, I think it was Guido Santosola, if I'm pronouncing his name right, he's a classical composer. He said, music is soul searching, nothing is ever finished. So it's like, there's always,

this sort of drive to dig deeper into your subconscious or wherever the music comes from and try to just bring out that inner sort of beauty or struggle or whatever you're dealing with at the time. So it's hard to sort of quantify that with saying like, oh, he's the best or she's the best or this or that. To me, it's about sort of personal expression and you can't really put a quantifier on that.

Are you hard on yourself?

Yeah, for sure.

Do you ever leave a show or even when you're in the studio, are you like... Like if you're that... If you're a quarterback, you know, let's put it in those terms. Like, you know, you missed that pass and you're like, shit! Or you played that note and to you, where everyone else it may have sounded fine, but to you and you know, you know, as technical and as perfect as you are, you're just like, oh, something's bothering me with that.

It's funny, yeah. I mean, I remember being in the studio with Zeus, and I was like, ah, that line doesn't sound right. And he's like, you're crazy. That sounds perfect. I'm like, that sounds a little out of time to me. And he's like, what are you talking about? I'm like, zoom in. And he zoomed in. He's like, technically, you're three milliseconds off. You're like, let's do it. And I'm like, I knew it. Right, right, right. To me, I'm like, that sounds fine. Right, right, right. Now, I mean, of course, you don't want to be exactingly perfect all the time either, right? I mean, sometimes it's cool to play behind the beat.

I mean, I mean, I'm very critical of myself. You know, I think that you also have to let stuff go and realize, like, you know, if you're playing live and you must have a note, like, I mean, there's some people that, like, you've ruined their whole night, you know, whereas to me, it's like, okay, let me try to be better, you know, the next night, but, or let me try and work on that. But I don't, I try not to obsess over it, I guess, because you can also drive yourself crazy, too. And then, like, you know, you're

and become sterile or this or that. So I wanted to have kind of an organic feel and come naturally. And, you know, listening back to some old records like that, you know, like old Van Halen records of this or that, I mean, or old Guns N' Roses, you know, Aerosmith, all these different bands, like there was some grit to their playing, you know, it wasn't this perfectly quantized thing. So it's hard in modern metal because I feel like in the modern production, sometimes it's sort of, it's stripping out that kind of organic quality for like a more like,

Super Pristine, precise thing.

But as a guy, though, who plays that, so technical and so perfect, I know you said you like it, but are there any of those things that you know at the three-minute mark, there's going to be that one thing, and you know it's like that little nails on a chalkboard sound to you. It's like, oh, there it is again. You've got to tell yourself, stop out of it.

In my own recordings, you mean?

Or music in general, like any bands that you really like, but you know that there's something wrong with it.

I've never, like, I almost never nitpick other people's recordings just because it's, like, it's just part of the vibe, you know, and keep in mind, like, I grew up also, like, in the sort of punk rock scene in Boston, so, like, playing basement shows and, you know, the sort of fast and loose sort of sloppy factor of those bands was what made it have that sort of boisterous teen angst, excitement, whatever you want to call it, that was sort of necessary for the music, like, you know, if you're listening to, like, a really dark,

Fucked up black metal record. You don't want it to sound perfect. You want it to be kind of messy and rough around the edge. Evil. Yeah, because it gives it that grit and that grime and that sound. It really depends from band to band, from player to player. But to me, it's such a kind of nebulous and vague word, but vibe to me is,

What matters so much? Does this have a vibe? Yes? Okay, cool. Whatever it is, perfect.

A couple more questions and I'll let you go.

Being in a tech death band, when so much death metal is loud, aggressive, brutal with a lot of the early bands, and even some of the bands now, you look like early Exhumed and stuff like that.

Have you ever caught in flack for being a tech band, for being almost a little too perfect in the eyes of the purists or the old school guys? Yeah, I mean, with the internet, I mean, it just gives a mouthpiece to anyone and, you know, just... You're a meme somewhere on Reddit or something. Right, exactly. So, yeah, I mean, there's going to be people that are like, oh, this is, you know, too pristine sounding. But, you know, sometimes you read these comments and, like, people just have no idea what they're talking about, too. Like, you know,

I read something that was like, oh yeah, there's songs, don't flow, the riff in this song, then the chorus is in a totally different tempo. It's not a different tempo. It's halftime, but it's not a different tempo. There's all these different opinions out there. I think you have to just take it with a grain of salt. You're going to have people, for the same reason that when someone's like, oh, he's the best guitarist or whatever.

It's like, that's great, but you can't let that go to your head. At the same time, the criticism, you just have to accept it and say, okay, we're not for this person, and maybe we can win them over down the line, or maybe they'll never like the band. Keep in mind, sometimes the most negative comments you see on YouTube and stuff are from people that aren't even metal fans. It just popped up randomly in their feed, and they clicked on it, and they like country music. They're like, this is all noise to me. Right, right. You're like, yeah, obviously, if you like

Like Miley Cyrus, like you're not going to... Everybody says to me, it's just noise. What are they saying? You don't get it. Right, right. So it's not for everyone, but that was what drew me to it in the first place. Same for me. Was that sort of it's going against the status quo. It's not meant for everyone. So you're putting yourself in the public eye in the age of the internet. You're always opening yourself up to criticism, but I think you just, you know, you can't drive yourself crazy with it. One more thing. To somebody who doesn't know me,

and it hasn't been educated and really trained in it.

Maybe that's without doing a class here for people.

How do you suggest or recommend people really start to really try to start to learn, you know, rhythm and music theory and stuff like that to where like music like yours and just music in general, they're really appreciating it more.

They're just not putting on, let's say, deathless and just letting it play when they're really understanding.

Hey, just like, man, he did that time signature, then he went to that, oh, and then switched to that, where it's really blowing your mind because you know it even on a deeper level. Yeah, that's a hard question because I feel like... Because I'll be honest, I don't have a fucking clue. Yeah, yeah. To me, it just sounds badass. Right. I know you're doing something amazing, but since I don't play guitar, you know, a lot of it goes over my head. Right. And I hate to say that because I'm not trying to make your work any, you know, all the hours you put in,

I think that's sort of really the kind of way to do it. Like I don't think necessarily have to know music theory or anything like that to appreciate music. I mean if anything it's you know makes it that much more special because there's a certain mystique about it. You don't have to know it to like it. Right. And you know even as a musician myself like you know I catch myself sometimes like overanalyzing things but when I enjoy music the most is when I'm not thinking

about that stuff and I'm just sort of getting back to that sort of childlike

you know wonder of listening to my favorite band or something that's like

nostalgia and I do think you know learning sort of

you know the history of different things and stuff like that that can lead to

all these different things are add-ons that can lead to a

deeper appreciation of it like okay I understand what's happening here so

you know I like it more now or you know oh that this was so cool because of the

and even sort of philosophical context, right? And I think that can lead to a deeper appreciation, but I wouldn't say the key to really appreciating music is understanding what polyrhythm this drummer is playing or keep in mind good technique and all that kind of stuff. That doesn't make good music. You could be the best player in the world or the most learned theorist in the world. It doesn't mean you make good music.

You can apply it to everything. Just because you don't know how to drive a car at 100 miles per hour doesn't mean you can't appreciate a NASCAR. Just because you can't throw a football doesn't mean you're not a football fan. Let's say it's some super fancy, crazy chef that makes some deconstructed whatever. Maybe your grandma's pasta is the best thing ever still. You know what I mean? You can apply it to literally everything like you said, but I think ultimately music is

An expression of the ineffable. It's an emotional and cathartic release. And it's meant to connect with people on a deeper sort of esoteric level. So sometimes you don't have to understand everything to really appreciate it and have it move you. That's a great point. Last thing I have, I have to say this to you because I told myself the first time I met you I had to mention this. On the deluxe edition of Chaos, you have a cover of Faith No More.

Was that your something you've been wanting to do for a while? That stuff. Your cover of that is hilarious. And it's, I'm drawing a blank on the title right now. Yeah, surprise you're dead. I've been a Faith No More fan for a long time. I've seen them live a few times. We actually just played Heavy MTL up in Canada. And I got to watch Faith No More side stage headlines. So I was like giddy with

But that was a song that we were playing live. I remember all the way back to when we were doing basement shows, we'd bust that one out. And it was always just sort of a fan favorite, just a fun song. And that was sort of my homage to Faith Amore. And it's probably one of their most metal songs, so it just sort of all made sense. What did you think of their last album, the most recent? I haven't spent a ton of time with it, but I really liked a few songs that I heard that were like the singles or whatever. And they played a few of the songs.

More of the songs live when I saw them. So it's like with anything with Faith No More, you have to spend time with it. I didn't get album of the year at first. I had to really listen to it over and over again. Now I love that record. That's what my co-host says. So yeah, you've got to spend the time. And I haven't, unfortunately, had the time to sit down with it. Dave, it's a true honor to speak to you. Before we get off air, what do you want to say in closing? What's on the future for you guys? What's out now? Of course, you're on

What do you want us to work? Can people check you out? Check us out on our website, revocationband.com. You can also just go to our Facebook page. Search for that on the old interwebs. We're on tour right now. We're closing out the Deathless album cycle with a bang with our headline tour with three other kick-ass bands, Black Fast, Artspire, and Cannabis Corpse. So if you're listening to this and we're on tour, come out to a show and come say what's up. I really appreciate it. David's honor.

Thanks.

Okay.

This is Buke from the Metal Heads Podcast.

And now I am joined with, after an explosive fucking set, the guys from Black Fast.

Introduce yourselves.

Tell us who you are.

This is Aaron.

I do vocals and guitars in Black Fast.

My name is Ryan.

I play bass guitar in Black Fast.

Okay.

I know this is a podcast.

There's no visual element to this.

But we are here with the viral star himself.

Oh, yeah.

Ryan, your fucking boot.

Your foot, the black death, that is your foot right now. The black cast. Yeah, the black cast, the black death that was on your foot earlier. We were talking right before we started this interview, you broke your fucking foot the first night? No, actually, I was in Toledo with Goat Whore. I broke it in Toledo when we were on tour with Goat Whore, and I'm looking at the microphone like I'm fucking, like, gonna get... Look at this fucking cougar pussy here. Exactly. Yeah, I broke it in Toledo.

How many of course was a cool way you broke it? I mean, it was kind of cool. I mean, it was musically involved, but I mean... Well, it was cool because he broke his toe the first night of Goat Horse, so he had been favoring it for three or four days, and then we did a double header. We played Detroit, drove an hour south, played Toledo, loading out gear in Toledo. He like rolls his ankle carrying a cab. I heard a snap that sounded so bad, dude. It sounded like something to... One of those things you fucking knew, right? And I fell, and some dude came and picked up the amp with me, and I just go, dude, I didn't even know this guy. I looked at him like I was crying.

And I ran up to Aaron and I just go, dude, I hurt my foot real bad. No, you said, dude, I literally just hurt a snap and broke my other foot, not my toe. Jesus. And then the next day the van broke down in Lansing and we had to take him to the hospital. It was a hoot. And then five days later he had fucking fungal growth and trench foot. Yeah, I was looking on you guys' Instagram today and I see this picture and I've been... No filter. Yeah. Whoever runs you guys' Twitter and Instagram, I've been fucking... I'll get to that later, but I've been hitting you.

you guys up nonstop. We are huge fans of you guys. But I pulled up Instagram today and I see this picture of your foot. And like I was telling him, look like he was just at the North Pole or Everest. And he got stuck and, you know, it was bad frostbite on your foot. Or, yeah, in France in 1917 or something. And then I see the quote today, the caption, they said you almost lost your foot. Or could have. Well, you know, just, I don't know. Well, that's what the fucking hospital said. Yeah. Well, I guess we're not doctors. We got a doctor. I'm just saying. You just play one on stage. Play one on TV. I'm just saying.

Yeah, dude, he's a George Clooney motherfucker. You're just saying. So now, luckily you're a bass player. Yeah. You can be put into a corner. You can just prop your leg up there, you know. Yeah. I mean, when I'm not loading water on stage, I'm usually just resting my foot. When he's not getting us fresh towels. Exactly. So you got the boot now. You got the boot. Obviously, it's not stopping you from touring, which is fucking awesome. No, you know.

You gotta play

We showed up with Goat Whore in a rented U-Haul

and Homeboy gets out of the U-Haul

like freight van with crutches

and a cast and is like

They thought it was a joke

Yeah, they thought it was a big hoax

It's like, motherfucker, no

We're not stopping, we're not going home

I know he isn't mellow, but did you see that

Dave Grohl broke his leg or something

It doesn't matter what music you play

He's on the fucking throne, like still playing

Yeah, exactly

You gotta play, man

You can't miss the gig, dude. That's weakness, you know? So, you know, if it does get bad enough, maybe some of the merchandise funds can go to getting you like a little rascal scooter. Oh, I'd love it. Get this guy, you know, around. Yeah. I'd like to have a motorized leg. Or like the robots in, fuck, what's that movie? I forget. I want the reverse legs. I want like the fucking Lambo fucking, I want suicide door legs. That was like, oh, yes.

Open up, yes. Put some little blue glow lights on there or something like that. You'll be fucking cool. Get rams on them and shit. I love it. So, gentlemen, you guys just released your latest studio album. Indeed. Yeah. Fucking amazing, amazing. Wow. Thanks. I have been singing the praises of this. Now, please, forgive me, though. No, go ahead. I was just introduced to you guys over the summer when we got a promo. It was, for those of you guys on the podcast who haven't listened yet, it is Black and Threaty.

I guess. But with fucking riffs and hooks that catch you guys. Almost like the band Vector. Yeah, yeah. We're good friends with those guys. Yeah. Almost. But the fucking riffs that you guys have in are kind of like make you think to yourself Matt Pike, High on Fire Who? Oh, easy. Your guys' riffs are fucking killer. Thanks, man. So, the latest album. Yeah. You guys happy with how everything's turned?

Turned out? Absolutely, yeah. We're a riff band. I mean, we're a guitar first, like, not so much guitar first, but, like, song first, I guess. Like, we try to write a song, but we try to pack it full of riffs that, like, we're totally fucking jacked off about. Yeah, that'll fucking snap your foot riffs. Exactly. Break your bones, yes. Yeah, absolutely. Exactly. And when it comes to writing these riffs, we really don't skimp on any detail. You know, even if it's just a one-bar filler riff,

that we wrote six years ago. It made sense. And if it didn't make sense or if it's something that we didn't believe in wholly, we wouldn't put it in the tune. But to have a thrash band, what would you guys... We were saying earlier, this internet, you can put anything on the internet. Everything online wants to put you guys in. Every band in metal. Plug them in the genre. Plug them in the genre. But that's in metal.

So when you talk to a person at a restaurant or somebody at the coffee shop and they say, oh, you're a musician, you know, what kind of music do you play? Heavy metal. Heavy metal. Heavy metal. Rock and roll. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so like, I think that I think that's an important discernation, like an important thing to discern there is that there's a difference between who you're talking to, I guess. True. You can, you know, you can be talking to people who like really want to figure out what subgenre and rut labeling.

it is and that's fine you know and then i'll you know start rattling off the mouthful that

people progressive blackened death thrash or whatever it is and i just go wow that's a lot wow yeah

and but so you know like 95 of everyone else that you talk to it's like i play rock and roll i play heavy metal

yeah and you know gnarly like fucking gnarly heavy metal basically that's a great point you bring up

because I think when people are so quick to put bands in genres, it almost excludes a large possible fan base that you may get down the line because you know in metal, some guys draw their battle lines fucking thick. If it's black metal, it's black metal all the way. And your power metal or whatever better not creep in to my fucking black metal. You know? And in addition to what Aaron was saying regarding how we say to other

people, what we play like, strangers or whomever, as we lump it into heavy metal rock and roll. It's not a smugness because it's not like we're trying to defy a genre or not lump ourselves into a category, but we literally don't think about it that way. We've never had a discussion about what type of music we wanted to play. We just always wrote this kind of stuff together. This is just how it sounds when we play. When we hang out, it sounds like how we hang out, basically. It's almost like, not to take the words from you guys, but it almost sounds like

This is you guys just naturally turning on the amps. And this is what just comes out. That's the single hardest thing to do. And it's also for us probably the most important thing to try to achieve. It's almost impossible to attain that. But that's what we go for, I guess. That's what we shoot for. Have you guys started to see yourselves starting to get the recognition and the feedback now from people like myself who are finding you guys who drove up here two hours for you guys?

And revocation, of course. But I drove up here for you guys because your album is just blowing me away like that. Are you starting to see that feedback coming in now? Man, this is starting to pay off. Yeah, I mean, the more that we go city to city, we keep meeting people that have anticipated seeing us and greeting us. And every city we go to, we see or meet some people that want to hang and listen to the shit. You guys are from St. Louis, correct? Yeah, we're from St. Louis. And it just kind of knocks us out, you know, like every time somebody's

like comes at us with all this positivity because it's been you know overwhelmingly like you know people are like stoked about it we're just kind of like wow cool because we made a record that we really like and when other people like it we're just like oh fuck yeah you know awesome it's validating you know i was i was telling uh him earlier that aaron the thing that is cool about you guys instantly that hit me when i got there today and you know i let them know that i have an interview with you guys is that you guys are general genuinely excited

Yeah, we're stoked. It's not like that band that, again, going back to Guarbecue, I met Phil Anselmo and the guys at Down. I'm like, hey, Phil, and he's, because he's, you know, a thousand miles in a different place in his head, maybe, from drinking too much. But they've done it for years and decades. You want to sit? Get out of the boot? Please. Sit down. There's no reason to fucking stand. I warmed it up for you right there. Exactly.

Yeah, look at this. Nice and warm. But you guys, this is genuine. Yeah. And it comes off to me like that, and that's cool about this. Thanks, man. Yeah, we hope so. There's not a disingenuine person in this band, really. There's not any, there's no, I don't know, there's no drama queens, nobody's fancy. We all are genuinely stoked to do this. There's really not any other reason to fucking do this unless you really want to do it.

We were just saying inside before you came out that

you know going into this, you're not going to be

Motley Crue money here. You're not going to be fucking

And if that's the goal in the first place, you're not going to make it past

maybe step one and a half. You're going to fall on your face if that's

at all your intention anyways.

The music always comes first and

it's not art for art's sake, but we love to play music

And that's all we really know how to do. And, you know, you don't make music as an artist. I'm sorry, you don't make money as an artist until you die half the time anyway. Yeah, that's true. You know, so, I mean, if I die tomorrow from this gang on this fucking foot, I'd hope these guys get a fat-ass paycheck from it. You fucking sue whoever. That's true. Yes. Oh, I like it. Yes, you sue. Look at Lansing, Michigan. Yes. Lansing, Michigan, I'm coming for you. And I'm coming for those Meadowheads podcast guys because they made him walk outside on that foot. Coming for that sidewalk curb that got me. Exactly.

Yes, take your sidewalks curb was over code. Put him down in his prime. Exactly. He had so much to live for. So you got... Made of wood. Real sturdy. Real sturdy. I fucking love that. And is that the scene when the fucking truck rolls over it or something? Oh my God. It doesn't like a marching band go over it. That's fucking great. What kind of big bucks? Yeah, exactly. What kind of big bucks? Oh man. So you,

You guys here on this tour, how's everything? I know it's only the third date, right? Second night. Second. Yeah. Jeez. Just shy of 24 hours into it. How many tours have you guys done of this caliber yet? None, really. We did like 11 days with Goat Whore, and we've done smaller little offshoot, like two or three day one-off things here or there. So this is the first real on the road. Yeah, this is like we're coming out on a label, and we're doing some major fucking tours in our eyes. This is like the shit.

I'm sorry you guys got in decibel right yeah god you guys are going places that's like wild as shit to me like yeah every time I see stuff like that I'm just like whoa okay you got us podcast guys who mean nothing fucking wanting to talk to you guys driving hours the other day or yesterday in New York City that had published a big fucking article in a magazine and in New York right yeah and it was just like our fucking big ugly mugs and shit like in this magazine we're like holy shit why you guys talk about us in Manhattan yeah you know you know it's it's cool to

find you guys like this but I

please forgive me for

taking this long to find you guys when you guys

had an EP and another album

out before this I almost feel like

I robbed myself of

Black Pastime

I could have been you know

we might have robbed you the opportunity of discovering us by not

by doing literally like no promotion

like the song you played off your EP

today what was that that was called the progenitors

of predation

man blew my mind

It's one of those moments you're like, what? What is this? Yeah. Yeah, that's a song we've had since probably 2012. That's a funny tune. We've had that one a long time, and it's still super fun to play live. It encompasses a lot of what we do, so we try to keep it in the set. I heard you on stage. You said, go out, get our album, stream it, download it, buy it, whatever. Sometimes we talk about it on the pod, and this being 2015,

I saved the kids.

You hope people will buy your shit.

But they're getting it from every means possible.

Some Russian guys

torrenting this in Siberia right now.

If I can download my shit illegally

I'll fucking

I'll sit down tomorrow. I won't do shit for another two years.

Actually there was a Russian

torrent site or a forum in Russia

that started

pirating our first record

like starving out the light and like a few weeks after it came out in 2013 and i saw that because i don't know you can like track your shit on band camp and i was like awesome like we made it we had kids from perry hellie in a local baltimore tech death band yeah small fucking guys put their stuff up on band camp and they're like it's on the torrent sites yes they're stealing it fuck we made it yeah we're fucking out there now we're worldwide yeah worldwide yeah so you know you don't care how

people hear you guys now right you of course you want them to buy it please go out get black fast buy it please buy it yes we want to make album two and album three and album four for you guys so please buy it but if people come up to the merch booth and tell us if that they like it or they hate it or whatever that's fine i want to shake your hand and i want to ask you like how you've been listening to it because i'm just i just want people to hear it you know so is vinyl coming i'm stoked anyways uh there yeah we'll do it eventually we don't have any plans right now just because of financially we can't but we will

We're all big vinyl guys on the pod. How to get those big bucks. Yeah, where's the big bucks? What kind of big bucks? We want to do vinyl of both records, actually, so someday. Do you guys get into the vinyl at all? Oh, yeah. I'm an avid collector of vinyl. Any Holy Grail? Any of our listeners out there, if they have it or have an extra that you guys want? Like myself, personally, my Holy Grail? And I'm lucky I didn't buy it, but the first pressing of Down, their NOLA album, for some reason, that and Guar Scum Dogs. Yeah, fuck yeah.

I thought you could find. They're like $300. I can't find them. And I found out driving up here, Down's doing a reissue for like $30. Oh, man. So I'm lucky I didn't spend the $300, but anything you guys are really, if you could find would be. Yeah, this guy, uh, man, I. He bought me, uh, Thin Lizzy's, uh, Johnny the Fox. Yeah. So. Yeah. I gifted to him when I was. Yeah. It like showed up on my doorstep and he lives like two blocks away, but he like ordered it and it showed up on my doorstep and I opened it and I opened it.

I was like, oh, fuck. So that's like, that's probably my favorite. But anything like any old Thin Lizzy record for me, that's the shit. What a great band. Yeah. I don't think here in the States they get enough credit. Yeah, well, I mean, Phil's been dead for 30 years, so I don't know. Good point. They're my favorite band, though. Are they running? Yeah, for sure. What's your favorite album? Oh, I don't know, man. You can say Jailbreak, dude. It's all right.

It's okay. It's okay. We're not going to call you a poser here. Don't break through fucking Black Rose, but even Shades of the Blue Orphans. I literally love their entire catalog. All of it. I can't even... It's arguably fucking perfect rock and roll music. You can't fuck with it. It's heavy. It's feel good. It grooves. That's what I say about Deep Purple all the time. So many people don't give Deep Purple a lot of credit. I don't feel that. People just know, hey, smoke on the water.

And they don't even look at like Burn or those other stuff. It's just great. It's a shame. Yeah, it's a shame. It's just great rock music. I think in their day they were held in like probably high regard by every fucking band on the planet, you know? And still to this day like serious like rock guys and collectors and people who are into it like, you know, Deep Purple. You can't fuck with Deep Purple. But everybody else probably is like Smoke on the Water. Exactly. Like my wife knows Smoke on the Water.

She doesn't even listen to metal. Oh, Thin Lizzy. Boys are back in town. But that's fine. That's fine. And for you, any? Oh, man. My collection is pretty eclectic. I mean, I'm a Hughes. I have Elton John. I love Elton John. Elton John is one of my favorite rock and roll. Tumbleweed Connection, give me that. I'll take that. I got fucking Honky Chateau on vinyl. I grew up, when I was growing up, my mom would always, you know, when I was riding in a car with my mom, my dad was always talk radio, but mom was always the only

classic rock. And she loved Elton John. And it just makes me go back to my childhood. You being a lover of music, you can't say that it's not good. It's long drive at night. I should get on the Spotify and pull up some fucking Elton John. Just Elton John, Bruce Springsteen, all that stuff. It's just being a fan of music. It's almost you have to appreciate that type of stuff. But yes, one record, I mean, you've been listening to it heavy too, but Keith Jarrett, piano player. The Kern concert. It's probably arguably

one of the greatest masterpieces of contemporary of jazz music recorded on ECM. You guys have a jazz background too? Yeah, I studied jazz guitar performance in college. Yes, they do. I don't as much. I interviewed Dave earlier and those kids from Perry Hellen and we interviewed jazz kids for them too. They're in college for it. Yourself. It's amazing how you guys have branched into metal.

Why did you branch into metal and not just stay jazz blues? I mean, it kind of branched into me. You know, I didn't really look for it. We were just hanging out one day and I heard you guys playing some shit. And I was like, wow, this is cool. I'm interested in doing this. We were talking inside. You're normally a guitar player first, right? Yeah, before bass. So, I mean, but hearing it, you know, I mean, and it helps also that we all play guitar. Even Ross can fucking play his ass off. Our drummer can play. Yeah, I mean, he's a killing player. So, I mean,

Understanding, having a firm rhythmic foundation and also a holistic harmonic backbone helps us write these songs easier without any arguments whatsoever. I'll admit. My obsession with music is kind of just like a fucking, like a fungal, like underground. Like a foot. Yeah, like a foot. And there's just like fucking spores popping up all over the joint. And it's not even like, you know, you use the tree branch analogy, but no, it's just like there's shit coming up all over the place.

It doesn't matter. It's like, it's membranous and it's all encompassing. Sorry. I was just going to add. And, you know, we always, there are no boundaries. We have our ears open to just about everything. You know, so we draw from everything. Everything new, everything old. That said, we're a heavy metal band. We're not going to make like a jazz record, but we're also not going to limit ourselves to very much of any kind of capacity, I guess. It's almost for so many years of us growing up, you know, I'm 30.

And I remember for so many years, we're always worried about what people are going to think or what our friends are going to think. So you maybe not branch out. I don't know if you grew up listening to various forms of music, both of you guys. But to me, I didn't listen to music for years. And then when I did, it was metal. And if it's, God forbid, something else, I'm not listening to it. Unfortunately, I think maybe here in the States, I think a lot of metal fans are kind of limited, though, too.

who, if it's not mental, they don't listen to it. You know? And I don't know, because I haven't been to every country, but music is, like, probably the most emotional, like, trigger thing for me that is, like, a very personal and solitary thing. And I think that if you're going to attempt to create it, you're fucking dead in the water if you give a shit about what people think about it. That's true. It's a great point. Also, I mean, your relationship with music and the nostalgia that you experience

when you hear songs that mean a lot to you, nobody can take that from you at all. And whatever, you don't have a choice. If you write music or play music, even if you play a cover band, you don't have a choice. Your memory and your appreciation for music to whatever extent is going to bleed into your playing. Wow. Holy shit. Damn. That's some deep shit, bro. Jesus. Holy smokes. I didn't realize I was talking to a couple geniuses here. I talked to Dave earlier and then you guys, oh my God. Somebody do something stupid. Lick that tire. Yeah.

God, these guys are great.

So, having the backgrounds you guys do with all these different genres of music you guys listen to,

since you guys are in a metal band, are you limited, though, in what outside elements you guys can bring in?

Or are there elements you guys try and bring in that you know where they're coming from,

But maybe like somebody like myself who doesn't listen to, let's say, a jazz or, you know, like a classic rock stuff, may know where that's coming from. Have you been able to sneak any of that in? I think if you do it right, they can't tell that you blatantly ripped something off. Right. And everything is a stolen riff, man. I was just about to say, right now, September 2015, it's all been fucking done. That's true. It's all been done. Everything's been done. So you just get back to square one, like we said earlier.

It just needs to sound like you turn it on your amps. That's what we talk about on the podcast a lot. It's like my friend George who I do the podcast with. We're not naive enough to think we're doing anything new. I think. But I tell you what though. George is 42. He may be 43 and I hope he'll appreciate me giving him that. He's been into metal the extra decade to me. He's seen bands in 82, you know, 92. To him, he realizes everything's been done. Just like I do.

already been done. Your death metal band is your death metal band. Your thrash band is thrash. But those who do it well, but add their own little tweak that kind of makes them stand out from the crowd, that's what you pay attention to. So that's like when you guys came out. Yeah, you guys exactly, Aaron. Your personalities shine through. And that's why we were so excited about hearing you guys. And like I said before, but that's the hardest thing to do. But in my mind, that's the most important thing to do.

It's really hard to let your personality shine through in all of this. And write all these tunes. And be yourself. But it's the most important part of it. When you guys go in the studio. Like you wearing that Goat Horse shirt. Have you ever done something and you're like. Man that sounds just like Goat Horse. We gotta change that. Well. Interestingly enough. Some of the tunes before they actually had names. Were titled after the riff that sounded like the band. That the riff sounded like.

Yeah, we'll have a riff in our head and we're like, oh, that sounds like an immortal riff or something. And it's just, you know, like when we're writing shit, it's so that we will know in the practice space what part kind of sounds like what. And it just all goes into when we're putting shit together. It's for the purpose of relativity and the orchestration and song structure, essentially. Because again, it always comes back to a memory or some kind of emotional response. Yeah, you guys, just being your first real tour, do you guys,

have a chance to listen to music. Do you guys even listen to music? Yeah, I listen to a lot of music. Do you? Yeah. What are you guys listening to now? I've been listening to the fucking new Dr. Dre record. Okay, okay. Shit. Yeah, I was interested. In here, between bands are playing rap. Yeah, I mean... I will admit, I am not a rap guy, but I never knock any music. Oh, yeah. Because I don't listen to it. It's not my place to knock it. But coming in... Yeah, but coming in... Yeah, but coming in here to... I was like, shit! Yeah! But coming in today, they're playing...

I'm like it's cool it's different yeah it's like you know you every every club we've been

into before a concert you know okay just a matter of time before like angel of death comes on right

right it was just cool it was something different today everyone was loving it so you've listened to that the new

I mean I mean seriously on this road on the trip right now I mean I've seriously done everything from

fucking Gustav Mahler to Dr. Dre to fucking run the jewels new hip-hop shit you know I do it all man that's cool a lot of jazz man a lot of

I listen to Bill Evans more than any other musician in the world. I'm a guitar player, a bass player. I don't even listen to guitar players. I'm naive with jazz. I know what good metal is. I know what bad metal is. You could put on a jazz album for me and I could not say that this is good or bad. To me, it all sounds the same. What is there for you about jazz that defines what's really a good one or a bad one? Being somebody who's trained in it. It's interesting and once again, I'll say it's all relative. It's the same thing.

If you enjoy metal music or anything like that, it's subjective to the listener. But a good jazz record will have a solid rhythm section. The rhythm section is the most important thing in any band. Also, an understanding of harmony and melody and how to improvise melody and how to improvise comping and comping for other band members and stuff like that. You can find a good jazz record just about anywhere if they're following, not following the formula per se correctly, but abiding by and knowing how to speak the language of jazz.

I heard it once put in an interview about jazz that when you're in like a metal band if you're let's say Tom of Slayer you can maybe with your vocals kind of carry the torch a little bit for maybe the rest of your bandmates you may be a little off or missing on some parts yes you can't do you know the Hanneman solos and King's work and stuff like that but you can kind of

Carry the weight for others more. I've heard in jazz put that each member of the group really is... If there's a weak link in jazz, it's really going to show a lot. Even as a listener that listens very passively, you'll hear a bad tune and know that it's a bad tune. Right now. I could play you some shit right now that would make you fucking cringe.

it, of course. But, I mean, if they're fucking up, then they're fucking up, man. You have no problem saying that. But, I mean, I fuck up. We all fuck up. Yeah, you guys on stage today could have fucked up, and I don't know. I fucked up probably 300 times during that set, that 25 minutes. But, you know, whipping your hair around, Aaron, you fucking made up for it. That's what I do. Oh, I love it. God, I love it. The cohesiveness of a group and how they communicate with each other on stage, but also,

Almost more importantly is offstage will bleed into a performance and bleed into a recording and let people know that you are confident in your music. You know what I mean? So I rely on these guys. That day that he broke his foot and our van broke down, we had probably one of our best sets in Lansing with Goat Whore in the last two or three weeks. When everything was setting up to be like you guys at each other's teeth and fucking, you know, Ray just fighting each other. It turned out to be a great show. That's awesome.

Fuck it. Let's play. That's kind of like a telling of things to come then. If you guys can do that, this fucking tour is going to be fine. Now, when you listen to music, are you guys listening? I have, all of us on the podcast, we've invested in a couple hundred dollar headphones. You know, really hi-fi headphones. And we tell everybody on the pod, when you listen to music, a lot of people today have, music's not the activity they do by itself.

itself. Exactly. It's while you're on Facebook or Twitter. It's while you're doing dishes. It's while you're with the kids. It's while you're watching TV or walking through the subway station. With nice headphones or vinyl, that's why we like and preach it, is that it goes back to the music is the activity itself and the listening to it. Do you guys have nice speakers at home or headphones that you guys listen to stuff on? Yes. Yeah. I've invested a lot of fucking money in

in sound. I got a ton of great speakers. I got great headphones. Who are your speakers and headphones? Well, I had Sennheisers. I have Grotto's myself. Really? Yeah. But right now, I don't know what happened to the Sens, and I've been using Bose, which is fine. Yeah, they're fine. They're over-marketed, and they're not as good. Just like Beats. We are anti-Beats on the podcast. He's saying that now as he's wearing some, right? Oh, shit. Yeah. No, he's not. He's not having any on. No. I was about to drive. Yeah, exactly.

But I have Martin Logan speakers, you know, nice electrostatic speakers. It's just, when you hear all the intricacies, I think that a lot of people miss with these little buds now. You can hear the fucking room they were playing in, you know? Absolutely. Yeah. I'll come home and, like, I don't watch, I don't, like, have a TV in my house. Like, I'll come home and play guitar or, like, maybe cook dinner and watch Netflix. But for the most part, I'll just fucking lay

on the floor and listen to fucking a Towns record or that Keith Jarrett album or Thin Lizzy or something. Does it bother you guys at all that listening habits have changed? That people aren't? Because when you guys are in, I've never been in a recording studio, but I'm sure you guys are hearing it. I'm only 26, so I don't know. I don't really know what it was like. That's a great point. Shit's gotten really wild in the last five years with smartphones and now iTunes and smartphones.

and that kind of stuff. But it seems like it just makes it more accessible. And maybe there's a trade-off in quality because of compression and file size is getting smaller and smaller. I think most people don't care. Yeah, no, they don't. And speaking for Aaron and myself, I'm sure I can vouch for him as well. But I mean, we live for music and we love to listen to music. And I would hope that people out there would like to listen to music just as much as we do. But if they don't, it's not going to upset me. I don't think everybody's an audiophile and really gets into the quality of it. Yeah, you're right.

People don't have a couple hundred vinyls like we do guys. They maybe have a handful. If that. Most people don't. Everybody has a different agenda, man. And I respect that. So do I. So do I. If us interviewing you guys gets somebody to stream it, cool. But if it gets somebody on board demanding that you guys come out with vinyl, even better. It's a double-edged sword. Music is so accessible now that everybody that we can... I can go on Twitter like I've been doing all day again.

guys up. People can be like, Black Fast? Who's that? They can go instantly right now and hear your guys' whole catalog. That's awesome. That's fucking awesome. That's awesome. Around the world with the followers, the couple hundred thousand listens we get on the podcast each week from countries all over the world. Somebody in Mexico next week can check it out and be like, man, Black Fast, right now and get it. It's cool. Like it or hate it or whatever, people have the, it's at their fingertips.

But with that though, do you guys kind of, does it ever, probably not knowing how awesome you guys are, but it doesn't bother you guys that their listening habits with all the efforts you guys put in might not be where they're really getting the full sound because they are listening on the little earbuds or maybe while they're tweeting and on Facebook and stuff, or you don't care. At this point, I'm satisfied that people are hearing it. That's what I was about. I didn't want to answer for you guys, but I thought that's what you guys would say. Yeah. As long as they listen to it, man, hopefully

they dig it. Yeah. You know. Because if they want to go the extra mile, then they have that ability to, you know, get the CD or eventually we'll press vinyl and they can, you know. We're fucking like, what, maybe almost a decade into the information era, you know. And it's great that all these people have the ability to access these things so quickly. And if they take it for granted, that's a shame, but I'm still not going to put it past them. You know what I mean? Have you guys had to deal with the negative side of this internet, too? Where are the blind negative

Comments can come in. Have you guys dealt with any of that yet? You can't bat an eye to it. Good. Yeah, no way. Don't give it any weight at all. I think there's some people out there trying to be a troll just to fucking... Well, yeah. Positive comments, like, that's great, awesome, you know, thanks for listening. If you hate it, that's fine. It's music. That's cool, so don't pay attention. You guys played with Yesterday Saints, you know, Friends of the Pod. Yes. All sort of. We played the same show. The same show. Yeah. But we met them.

Yes, you met them. Cool, just for a short period of time. When I talked to Matt, another guy on the podcast, Will, brews beer. He brewed a beer for yesterday's Saints. And when I talked to Matt, the lead singer, I asked him, I said, Matt, were you happy how your guys' album turned out? And he goes, are you? And it kind of took me back for a second because I've never had anybody in a band ask for that. And I go, yeah, I am. He goes, that's all that matters. He goes, really, we put out what

we like. And if you like it, cool. If you get it and never listen to it again, sorry, but okay. We're not out here trying to please anybody. If we do please you and you like us and you want to follow us around and buy our shit, absolutely. Come on board. But if not, he's got it. Yeah. So how you guys, I don't want to take up more of your guys' time, I'll ask you a couple more, but going on the road here, you guys anxious, nervous, excited? How are you guys' thoughts here? Is this your first real tour?

I'm just chilling man. I kick it real hard on the road. As I'm someone who's always wondered how this life is you know working I'm not going to ask you guys this fallback question oh what's the craziest thing and shit like that. Yeah. Is it boring a lot of times? Yeah mostly it's just like getting to the point where you can like get everything taken care of and then figure out a way to sleep for four or five hours and then. You guys sleep in the van?

Yeah, we're broke, dude. It's us four with our gear and our van. And so it's pretty much just figuring out how to get through like one hour at a time. Right. But, you know, we're having a fucking blast. Is there a lot of boredom? It's so, it's elongated moments of sheer boredom, like punctuated with like sheer insanity and terror.

Yeah, we're a couple things in the works. I don't know if we've officially announced anything yet, so I can't really say anything. Don't say anything. We'll be doing shit in October and November. Awesome. Fucking come back around, please. Guys, anything else you guys want to say in closing, please. I don't want to take up more time, but I cannot say enough on the Metalheads podcast. We are huge fans of you guys. Thank you, guys. We're going to do our year-end list in December. Probably you guys will have a place on the list. I'm telling you. You guys are

You're doing amazing stuff. It's an honor to speak to both you guys. Please, but in closing, tell people where they can get your stuff, where to follow you guys, everything. Follow us on Facebook. It's Blackfast. Follow us on Instagram. Follow us on Twitter. Again, our band name is Blackfast. And my name's Aaron. I do the vocals and guitars. You can find our stuff on iTunes, Best Buy, FYE. Spotify. Spotify. And the name of the album? Google. The name of the album is Terms of Surrender. It came out on E1 Heavy August 7th. Dig it.

Dig it and then unearth it and listen to it. Guys, again, it's a true pleasure to speak to you guys. Thanks for joining the Metal Heads podcast. Thanks, bro. So that was my interviews you just heard with Blackfast and Revocation. Those guys are on tour. Another couple weeks left on the tour. So check those guys out if they come through your area. After I finished the interview with Dave, it was announced that their first EP or album, I don't have a name in front of me, but

It's being re-released right now in November. I'm handing it to you, dude. We're always all throwing bands at each other. I hadn't really listened to Revocation. I knew them a little bit. But Butch got me on a big Revocation push, man. Went up with Deathless. I've been rolling that a lot, dude. And Butch sent me some Spotify stuff. Killer stuff, dude. Jay sent me one of the greatest responses to a text ever. I was like, just watch Dave's playing and just listen to him. He's like,

these guys know disrespect at all he goes but it it bothers me that guys can play this well and it seems effortless yeah it literally it's just like i can't i almost can't enjoy it you know what i mean i mean i do but i was just like i was like i wanted to call buke up and be like what the fuck did you send me this dude like you know what i mean jay puts his guitar on ebay i'm gonna start sending buke i'm gonna be sending you pictures of like really super handsome cops you know what i mean like hey this is what you could be like

But revocation, that's badass stuff. Badass stuff. I did want to say that Blackfast CD, I know Colt reviewed it here a while back. I haven't even listened to the whole thing. I've listened to part of it, and it's excellent. Yeah, I love it. It's really good. I've seen a couple of interviews with Dave Davidson from Revocation. The dude is super intelligent. Dude, he went to school, and

His focus was in polyrhythm. Like, time signatures and rhythm and beats is in this guy's head. He's kind of like Stephen Hawking, but he can walk around and doesn't have ALS and he's a genius like that. Cool. I've heard him speak a couple of times and just the first time I saw an interview with Revocation, it sold me on the band.

that I love seeing people like that represent metal that are that intelligent.

Because there's a lot of intelligent people in metal, at least I find.

Yeah.

And some that are.

Oh, yeah, there's always idiots, but they're everywhere.

But in general, I think metalheads tend to be a little bit more intelligent, Buke excluded.

Yeah, I don't help that.

I was waiting for somebody to say that. Yeah, I don't help brings down the average. Exactly. Bring down. Yes, exactly. George. All right. We love it. Let's slice into some news. Oh, man. Fuck, dude. Did you have to put this first? I know. I was just going to say, wow, let's go.

and have a silly little news intro and then go right into the sad news that bolt thrower drummer Martin Kitty Kearns died the other day in his sleep at the age of 38. As of yet, I haven't heard anything about the cause of death. Reading the article, the press release about it, they said that the band said the day before he wasn't feeling well and he went to bed.

and then he just never woke up so yeah our condolences to bolt thrower and martin's family and it's just a devastating loss and we're distraught you know and he was a great drummer too not to just focus on that but he was a great drummer dude like i really like bolt thrower i mean i don't listen to him a lot to be perfectly blunt but i've got a couple bolt thrower releases i put them on you know what i mean he was a good drummer man oh we love those guys why did we talk to jay why i don't even know

I'm not a huge bolt thrower fan either. I like some of their stuff. But Colt is a big fan of bolt thrower. He did a tribute to them on the site, a Skullfuck tribute, like back in December. So it's a big long thing if anybody wants to look at it. Right on. Just like Buke, I got into them because of the Warhammer 40k stuff. You know what I mean? Like really, like I was like, look at these fucking covers, dude. Jay, did you know that when they first started, they were actually signed to games workshops,

Label. No. Yeah, that was messed up. Games Workshop put out their first albums. I didn't even know Games Workshop had a fucking label, dude. They didn't. Yeah, I remember that. I was like, I had copies of the original albums and they had a little Games Workshop logo on there and I was like, man, that's messed up. That's funny, dude. I would have been funny if they would have sent them their demo and they were like, no. We need somebody who's a little more Warhammer

40 could. But hey man, but you know, and I stared us off there. That's really sad. And I'm sorry to hear it.

To hear anybody pass it at 38. Oh God, that's just way too young.

Yeah.

So to honor Martin, if I can suggest our listeners give, he did, he recorded two albums with them, Honor, Valor, Pride, Those Once Loyal. They're both great albums.

Myself, I lean more toward Honor and Valor. Those first couple songs, Contact, Wait Out, and Inside the Wire. Awesome fucking death metal stuff. The type of death metal I like. The slow, trudgy, like George has described, bolt thrower. A tank just rolling over the battlefield. Yeah, man. That's bolt thrower. And you know what? If you want to honor them, that's the perfect way to do it. People go out there and listen to this. And you want to honor them? Take some dice, play some fucking 40K.

I don't know how the honor is a dead guy.

There you go.

I guess maybe play some drums.

Yeah.

We'll throw down when I'm out there, Buke.

Just blast.

Crank it up.

There you go.

Moving on.

So I just found out about this the other day.

I don't know if you guys had heard about this,

but there's a New Zealand heavy metal horror movie called Deathgasm

that's going to be opening in U.S. theaters on October 2nd.

I watched the trailer because I saw it on the show notes and I had heard about it. I think I saw something on Metal Socks about it. I looked up the trailer when I saw your show notes that we were going to talk about it. And it does. It looks awesome. It looks like a good time.

this yet, and I've been meaning to, there's another film that came out of, I think, Norway. Iceland. Metalhead? Yeah. Yeah. Did we talk about it? We mentioned it. I have not yet seen it. I think it's probably out here now, so I should probably order a copy. Yeah, it's out. I'm interested to see it. I went ahead and watched the trailer to that, and it's just about this kid and his brother dies somehow, and he takes his solace in black metal. Actually, it's a girl. A girl, correct. You're right.

She takes her solace in black metal. And that's honestly all I really know about it. I mean, the trailer, metal isn't really the focus of the movie, but it's actually called Metalhead. But I'm interested to see it. Yeah, it looks good. I hope it has subtitles. I want to mention something really quick. You guys were, Jay just mentioned a black metal girl or something. Yeah. Proud, proud daddy moment yesterday. My daughter walks up to me as I'm blasting some metal and she starts kind of banging her head. And then the second half. Her first bang.

I think I got some dog hair in my eye and I kind of teared up a little bit. I don't know if one of them is the same. I hate it when that happens. I don't have daddy. Yeah. So I saw this next story. I don't know what the hell is going on. Cynic breaks up again and then back. But then they're not. It's like, I don't know. Maybe they were like, hey, Morbid Angel had a lot of fun with this. Let's see what we can do. You know what? Yeah, exactly. Their career,

was just a series of long hiatuses. So I mean, like really, you know, they, and it seems to me they've broken up like six times. Well, they announced that they broke up. And then a couple of days later, I saw they were playing some festival. I'm like, okay, which is it? A good offer, I guess. I looked into it. I looked into it because I had seen the thing about the breakup. And I guess it looks like what happened was Sean Reinhart, their drummer, left the band.

And he announced that Cynic was breaking up. And the rest of the guys were like, eh, you're not that important. From what I read, it looks like Paul just might replace Sean, which is weird. I don't know if something went up. That's an awesome way to leave a band. That's the best way to leave a band. I'm going to leave the pod and I'm going to be like, yeah, the pod's over, dude. It's cancelled. We'll just carry on.

They seem to have no loyalty. They're not important to them. So this next item. See, I told you we couldn't go a whole episode without mentioning them. Yep. I woke up to news the other day from John. Hi, this is John. That Opeth, their album Deliverance and Damnation will be released as one album. They were both recorded at the same time. They're both worlds apart. One's an acoustic album.

One is a true Opeth death metal album. I remember well Buke that they were only released separately because of just sort of budget limitations at Century Media. I mean he had recorded it with the intention of it being a double album. And it would be exactly the tracking it was. One heavy, one not heavy. So this has been a long time coming. Are they rotating back and forth between them? No. It's one disc and one disc. Deliverance is the album that got me into Opeth.

It is. Oh, wow. That means I got into them before you. That's fucking crazy. I didn't get into metal until I was in high school, and you guys are a lot older than me. So this is, you know, like 98, 99 I was getting into metal. Go ahead, George. I was going to say, I bought the first two Opeth albums after the second one came out when I still lived in Michigan, which was mid-90s. Well, I have to admit, Blackwater Park was my first buke, so, you know, I was one album before you. You guys all can't be Opeth fan on

Twitter. It's okay. It's okay.

It's the Opeth fan two.

No, Opeth fan one, dude. Fucking stick it to him.

The real Opeth fan.

My vinyl addiction for Opeth, I will be grabbing those.

I believe John was saying that the CD version may do what they've done before.

and it may have like a DVD copy with like some 5.1 mixes and stuff. It does, for sure. I'm going to get it. And I'm assuming the covers will be nicer, but I looked at a picture of the packaging and the front cover is just white. I mean, I don't know what's going on there, but I didn't look that. You'll have to look it up. But do you remember when they were coming out, Buke? No. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to order it too. Buke, did you ever pre-order that down? Not yet. One of his Holy Grail albums, Nola by Down. And I, I, I,

I totally fucked with him because I pre-ordered down NOLA and down two and then I sent him the receipt picture and I was like yeah yeah I got it you don't this is as I'm driving to the black fast show I get this picture and it's the receipt you know if a billed amount and I I'm speechless for a second when I get this text message I'm like look I got him for only 30 bucks I don't see him on discogs

anything less than $150 or $200. Never. I could have taken my fucking Prius into a tree. And so he starts just like, oh, just moping, which was my intention. But I couldn't let him suffer too long. And I was like, dude, you can go order them too. It's a reissue. And I knew they were going to do that for you. I knew those would come out on vinyl again. I'm glad you didn't spend $150, dude. No, yeah. Exactly.

I agree with Buke though. That Nola album, that was like a perfect album. I absolutely love that album. That was great. It was absolutely wonderful. I'm a big Anselmo fan, so I like pretty much most of what he's done. Fiend, I have an interview with him lined up next month. Oh, Jesus. I'm like super jealous. I would love to sit down and talk to the man.

Yeah, I don't know why he wants to interview Buke, but whatever. Exactly. He's like, oh, you're that Redskins fan. I talked to you at barbecue. Fuck off. That's right. Just be sure to ask him about the Horror Fest. Yeah, that's right. I got to get to that at some point. The Opeth Damnation Deliverance box set is to be released October

30th.

Yeah.

Nice choice.

That's just for Halloween.

There you go.

So Grave has a new album coming out called Out of Respect for the Dead, which

is due on October 16th.

And they're streaming two new songs from the album.

I don't know if anybody else has checked them out, but I thought they sounded pretty

good.

I didn't hear the second one.

I heard Redeemed Through Hate.

Mm-hmm.

And I thought it was pretty good.

Pretty good old school Swedish death metal.

I mean, which is, that's Grave.

That is Grave.

That is Grave.

But no, it's very good. I'll be checking out the album when it comes out. Sweet. I read a good quote from somebody in Terrorizer recently, and I don't fucking remember who it is. So maybe it's grave. But they were talking about, they said there's more German, old school German death metal in Sweden now than there is in Germany. Which might be true, dude. Never know. Never know. It probably is. I'm really excited about this next one, George. Have you seen this commercial?

There's a Geico commercial where they're like in this company's break room and this guy's microwaving his food and while he's waiting for the timer to go down, Europe appears in the break room and is playing the final countdown. And the quote's like, if you're in the band Europe, you like to count things down. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's really the only song I ever liked by them just because it's so damn catchy. I can't help myself.

Oh, George. Damn it.

Is that because I like the song?

Yes.

That's because Fiend's like, why did I agree to waste my Sunday with these guys?

My first thought when I saw that was like, I hated that song then.

I hate it now.

And I saw the commercial last night and I was like, oh.

How can you not love a song where they rhyme, we're heading to Venus,

where maybe they've seen us.

What's next? Are you going to buy some White Lion vinyl next?

No.

You know, I have to say, man, I was never into them, too.

And that song is kind of like Eye of the Tiger, you know, popular slash joke.

Hey, I like Eye of the Tiger, too.

I heard it on the radio the other day.

You know, but Eddie Trunk or somebody would not shut the fuck up about the new Europe album.

I proudly tell you I own nothing by them. They're saying it's not like an old Deep Purple record. I wouldn't listen to the samples on iTunes the other day for God knows what reason. And he was right. It's like this bluesy hard rock somewhere between White Snake, Old White Snake and Deep Purple. Yeah, they headlined the M3 festival that I went to earlier this year. I just wanted to see Final Countdown. Obviously, they were going to close with that. We didn't feel like sticking around. So we watched a couple songs. They didn't play it. We left. Good choice. Yeah, probably a good idea.

Did you guys watch Arrested Development? Some of it. The guy, Job, who was a magician, always did his magic to that song. And it was just so fucking cheesy, dude. It was wonderful. You'd have to watch the show. It's so 80s. It's not even funny. Well, you know what's even worse than Europe is Metallica teaming with Budweiser and Labatton, Canada for limited edition Metallica beer. I'm like, why didn't you just call it?

I mean I'm sure Bukle drink it because

that's a step up from Coors Light. I tell you guys this.

I drink Bud Lights and stuff like that because right now like Will always says Bukle tell me what you're drinking.

Right now I'm drinking a Southern Tier Mocha coffee and chocolate stout.

You can't sit here and drink plenty of these.

When you drink Bud Light or Coors Light since they go down like water you can drink a bunch.

Why do you have to drink a bunch? Why don't you just drink a few good ones? I have to agree with you. They'll mess you up just as much. I've been drinking. I've been a Bud Light fan. I've drank Bud Light since I was too young. Exactly. It's one of those beers. If I want to have more than a few, then I go for Bud Light. If I'm just going to have a couple of beers, I'm a Guinness man. I love Guinness. Good job. See, Fiend? That's why we're fucking hooking up.

Exactly. Stick with me. I'll take this. I will defend it. Now Budweiser, regular Budweiser, gives me a headache. It's awful. And them putting out a Metallica beer is fitting because I'll never drink it. You see what happens, guys? You see how Fiend shut both you guys down? That's because he has intelligence. He has book smarts. That's why you can never shut us down.

That's why whenever we have Matt from Yesterday's Saints on, he's so smart and educated, and his responses to George's points that he, you know... My dumbass questions. Yeah, shuts him down. So if I had that, I could shut George down, and I could probably have him liking some of the bands I do. Well, maybe you should study up, and that could be a goal. Well, I tell you what, Buke.

I'll just make notes for you.

You're a ghostwriter, dude.

That's awesome.

Everything he reads will be stunted.

Well, George, what I think of the...

And he'll say them all wrong because he won't be able to pronounce it.

Immensely.

I found this a very...

I wrote yesterday.

Sure.

Hey, I don't know about you two, but I found this record monotonous.

You know, I would like...

I was just about going...

I would love, you know, Fiend being a published author.

I can only imagine him listening to that mid-year podcast when I said Mono Tony. He probably wanted to take a fork and jab it in his ears. He was probably like me. He probably thought you were talking about Black Sabbath. Only one Tony. That's right, Mono Tony. Someone who's 32 and lived in America his whole life cannot butcher the English language this bad. Well, they shouldn't be able to. You should be able to get a fight.

You're a testament to the education system in this country. There ought to be a law. No Buke left behind. No Buke left behind. So, George, also going along with this questionable beer, they've also made some trucks. They've got these big Metallica beer trucks. But I have to say, dude, if this is based on, or they're doing this because they're closing some big stadium there. They're playing the last show at some stadium. And Labatt's Blue is okay.

So if it's Labatt's, you know what I mean? They could do okay. Some of that Labatt's beer is pretty good. Yeah, I'm a little conflicted about whether to get some to put in with the heavy metal beer collection here in the bar. Yeah. Well, you can wait and find out. They're brewing it. I would get the Labatt's one, but yeah, leave the Budweiser alone. I don't know if we can get the Labatt's one here, though. It might just be in Canada. I might have. I don't know, because I'm like from, I lived in like Buffalo, New York for years and years, and like Labatt's is huge there. Well, it's available.

But I mean, I think maybe they were only doing Metallica LaBats for Canada. In America, you get the Budweiser. Gotcha. But who knows? You know, if I see it in LaBats, I'll definitely get that. I'm going to take this next one because I think I knew this. Actually, I'm only just now noticing this was part of the script. You know, I mean, last week I was all up Paul Stanley's butt. Sure. Because he's an asshole. But then there's this. Yeah.

The Kiss has more gold records than any other American band. 30 of them. That's nuts. That's crazy. It doesn't surprise me, but it surprised me. That's why Gene Simmons is so cocky. It is. I can't stand those guys. Actually, I did know this, and they've had the most for many years. Even when they had 25 or whatever, you know what I mean? It's crazy, dude.

I was looking at the top selling artist list of all time. It has been a while back now. But you'd be surprised if somebody who put like Jethro Tull is way up there, dude. You know what I mean? Like there are people who just consistently sold. And like Rush probably has a gazillion gold records kind of thing. I was just saying, yeah, Rush has got to be up there. They're probably like number one in Canada. Yeah. Can't be anybody else. But 30, crazy, dude. I mean, can you go gold once, right? I mean, there's not like there's multi-platinum, but there's only one. That means 30 of their records.

30 of their individual albums have sold 500,000 copies or more. So actually they've dropped with it. What is the number now? Because it's lower now. Or did they change it because nobody can hit it? Yep. Oh, that's funny. I'll look it up. I'll look it up. It's lower now. It might even be like, you might be shocked. Yeah. No, dude. It's more like Sweden where it's like 50. Yeah, which it is. Something like that. I'll find out. Well, while you're looking that up, let me take a moment to take America to task. I had one thing that I expected of you.

One fucking thing I asked you to do. What was that? You got to start stuff like this with citizens of Earth. I like that you're taking America to task. You're a good man. What I'm talking about here is the fact that Iron Maiden's The Book of Souls did not debut at number one. Oh, it did. Not in our country, but in 24 other countries that are not quite as lame as the United States of America. We only made it to number four on Billboard. And who was above that?

at number two was five dick punch whatever the fuck you call number one five no they were number two five finger death I don't know I thought they were number one I read that five finger death on number one not the first week oh not the first week okay now there was some rap thing I can't remember the name of it let me see George this is something that we've guys this is something we spoke about before Iron Maiden are and will always be one of the greatest bands in heavy metal

But I used this term before. Middle America gets behind bands like Five Finger Death Punch. Yeah. Yeah. Middle America hears their songs on FM radio. Yeah. In America. In the States here. And these are the songs, George, that are spoon-fed to them. It's so weird. It's a life we're not even living, dude. You know what I mean? I am aware of what you're saying, Butte, but I'm so unnoticed.

aware of how that can be true and how it's happening and that it is even happening.

This is not on the four of us here. This is not on our radar. But I talk to a lot of people at work and, you know, whenever music comes up and they say they listen to heavy metal, they're mentioning these bands that are spoon fed to them.

Taze them, dude. Fucking taze them next time.

Because you know what the thing is guys, most people who, like Jay, we can apply this with video games, or Fiend, you can apply this with horror. If it's not in a fancy video game trailer, if it's not in a movie trailer that shows up on YouTube, you don't scratch the surface and dig a little deeper.

You know, I was listening to an interview with Dave Windorf in a source that will be unmentioned. Metal Sucks Podcast. Metal Sucks Podcast. And in the interview, Dave referred to that stuff as what he calls merch metal, which is like it's really built around a big merchandising campaign. And it's basically the Hot Topic bands. Yep. You know what it is, guys? You know what also it is, too? And I hear this so...

much from talking to a lot of kids through the years. They want their music, and this doesn't really apply to Mayden because you can hear what they're saying, but they want their music heavy, but they want to have a clean, safe heavy. You know what I'm trying to say with that guy? It's kind of like you or I, if we were to scream, but you're just kind of getting your anger out a little bit, but it's safe.

Yeah. And it's super hyper-produced. It sounds perfect. All the band members look good. And again, I have nothing against these guys. I'm not saying they're doing anything wrong at all. I like some of their older stuff. Yeah, exactly. I can't sit here and say it's bad stuff. It's a shame that Iron Maiden cannot date. It breaks our hearts. I've got the list here in front of me.

Number one was a band called The Weekend with Beauty Behind the Madness. Number two, Five Finger Death Punch Got Your Six. Number three, Travis Scott and Rodeo. Number four, Iron Maiden, The Book of Souls. You know, I do have to add one thing to this, though, and that was that, and I'm not making this up. Our bass player, Sergei, had asked me, I was going to Best Buy one day, and he was like, hey, dude, can you get me? There was a limited edition Maiden single slash t-shirt thing that came out, and they didn't have it, but

And then I called him like after the release and I was like, did you get the record yet? And he said he could not find it in stock in any Best Buy. He had to buy it from Best Buy in New Jersey. And part of the problem here might be the choice of the number of physical copies they choose to print these days. Because you'll notice that the story in Blabbermouth was like, it was the equivalent of, you'll have to look at the story. They actually refer to it now as like equivalent copies. They don't, that's hard to explain. But what I mean is the total

sales of digital downloads, whatever. But I'm thinking if there had been more physical copies available, maybe more people would have bought it. You guys want a perfect example of Middle America, air quotes again. FM radio, if they play hard rock or metal, you're always hearing Enter Sandman, Wherever I May Roam. And that is shown that when bands we love, their albums, first week, first week,

are still getting outsold by physical copies of the Black Album. The Black Album still sells almost 2,000 to 3,000 copies a week. Some of our bands can't even debut anywhere near that. It's true, dude. It's insane. If Metallica was selling that many copies, they'd be on the chart. What do you mean? The Black Album charts every week almost.

It's like Pink Floyd. I don't know if you guys remember Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon was on the charts for like 27 years. It's crazy fucking shit. Yeah, it was insane. Yeah, it holds the record for like 17 years or something like that, wasn't it? Yeah, it was crazy. I used to go look it up just to see if it was still there. Yeah, man, it's fucking crazy. It's fucking crazy. I agree with you, Buke. And you know what? I think it's just the difference between the casual music listener and the sincere and dedicated music listener. You know what I mean? Absolutely. I know people who listen to like

and five-finger death punches is okay with them. And I hear it, and I'm like, oh, God, this is what metal is. This is what people think of as metal. And it's like, oh, God. Fiend, you have probably mentioned to us on the pod, you've heard us talk about it on the pod before, but for us as metalheads, listening to music is the activity itself. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. For a lot of people, music is just,

something they put on and it's in the background you know what exactly i gotta apologize to george because i did look at the script george but here i see you have that very story that i referred to which was uh our next story here is bruce dickinson has demoed six songs for his next solo album a concept album and i had forgotten too that part of that new story was that um what if eternity fails was intended for that record by the way ah well yeah you know given that nobody wanted to even bother by the iron maiden album i'm

I'm sure nobody will buy this either. But I'm looking forward to it. And I know you are. Yeah. Oh, fuck. I'm a big fan of everything he did since accident birth. And I'm totally, totally psyched. Just looking at the Billboard charts, guys, real quick. The top 200. Just to let you know the current state of things, George. In the top 200, the Black Album last week was 198. Master of Puppets. Sorry.

And Justice for All was 156. And Master of Puppets was 137. You know, 1986, George's head would have just exploded. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, what? Now, mind you, George, Ghost sits here, okay? Their album just came out. And in the metal world right now, Ghost is making things happen. Yep. I just, I can't find,

I can't find out. Okay, Ghost sits at 146. Master of Puppets, an album that came out all these years ago, is above it. I'm telling you, it's the casual music listener thing. There are people who aren't really attached to one genre, and they literally don't have to look too far to go, well, if I was going to get a hard rock record or a metal record, what would I get? And they're just going to go back in black or something that everybody knows exists. They're not going to pick up a magazine. They're not going to figure out something new. They're just going to go for that one song I heard on the radio.

And it's probably the only song they listen to, by the way. So, which I don't mean to be a prick, but, yeah. It's kind of... Yeah, it's sad. It makes me sad. It kind of amazes me how little people actually know about metal. I mean, I understand that you wouldn't know, like, the more obscure bands, but I would think, like, everybody by now knows who Metallica is and stuff like that. When I was in Seattle, we stayed with one of my wife's friends, and

Barb had mentioned that we do the podcast and I was like yeah it's a heavy metal podcast and she's just like what's heavy metal about what what are some bands and like she didn't know anybody yeah you know I mean I think she had maybe heard of Metallica but you know she didn't know anything at all about metal and like no concept of like very different kinds of metal it was all the same to her but it almost makes you wonder George these music services your

your iTunes, your Spotify, of course your radio or satellite radio, you know if you go in and you type in metal, you know it's not going to be deep cuts. You know it's going to be your, you're not even probably going to get like disposable heroes. You're going to get like, you know, wherever I may roam, you're going to get unforgiven. You know what? I'm so glad you mentioned disposable heroes because I sent you guys pictures this week, as you know,

We're collecting pictures of us with bands for an unnamed project right now. Or maybe it can be named. But in any case, I sent them. George is making a decoupage. What the hell is that? I just hit you with a word you don't know? I kind of figured it was a word that you were just completely butchering. A decoupage is pictures cut out and glued on my poster board. That's a decoupage.

It's what the rest of us would call a collage. Yeah. But so I but where was I here? Oh, so I sent these boys pictures of me with Metallica because I met Metallica backstage one time. It's a long story. One of the things I did do was request Disposable Heroes and with my I'm telling you, they played it. It was awesome. And they even said, we don't play this one a lot. Shit. I got that. I even have the live show on tape, dude. Oh, awesome. I love the lyrics to that fucking song.

It's one of my favorites on the record. Yeah. That is one of my favorites on that. And one of my favorites that I've only heard them, I've seen Metallica a bunch of times, Dyer's Eve off of Injustice for All. It's one of my favorite all-time songs. And I've seen them. I saw a YouTube clip where they played it live and they've only done it a couple of times. They don't play it live very often. That's criminal. That's been my favorite song since I've been. Yeah, George won't shut up about that one. George is always like, every time he gets a chance to say

It gets a little monotonous. Honestly, it's the epitome of what a good Metallica song should be. Seriously, guys, it's tremendously good.

We had last week, we were talking about grammar briefly, and literally Bukes says to George, he says to the audience, if you will, but he says, George has helped me with my grammar tremendously. It was like, how did they have that be in the sentence where he's praising George's grammar? It was so funny, dude. Well, he helped him with his grammar, not his enunciation. It's the new thing. There's song mashups, now there's word mashups.

Yeah.

Come on, give us a new one, Buk.

I can't, I don't have any, it just comes naturally.

But George did one a couple episodes back, and I wish I could read it now.

Yeah, well, and last episode, which hasn't aired yet, I created a term for all these things that Buk does, and it's called Bukkaki.

Oh, Bukkaki.

Bukkaki.

It's when he murders a word and just throws it at your face.

I'm not sure I want to get any bukkake on me. No one does. That's why we Skype my brother. The safety of distance. Yes. Yeah. Wife just threw up at her mouth a little bit. All right. Moving on. I mentioned this a little bit on the last episode.

at Guns N' Roses bassist Tommy Stinson said he hopes that Axl will reunite the classic lineup. Now, if you're keeping score, both Bumblefoot and DJ Ashba, I think is it, both guitar players in Guns N' Roses have left the band to move on to other opportunities. Is there still a Guns N' Roses band? I don't know. Well, the evidence is mounting for a possible reunion because this tends to be, when you think of Anthrax or Kiss, it's like people start leaving the ship.

And then suddenly there's a reunion because

really they're being asked to leave probably.

And sort of like Megadeth, you know, when

those guys left

the speculation about the

Rest in Peace lineup went furious.

And rightfully so, they were

looking into it just like we thought they were.

So you're probably right about

this at this point, Georgie. I'm betting you're

prognostic, or as

Bik would say, prognostication.

Prognostication.

I predict it.

We shall see. This news makes me happy. Sabres goalie Robin Lanier. I'm being a hockey fan. I should know this. Sabres goalie Robin Lanier has an Inflames inspired goalie mask. Now was that has A or has an? Oh, I'll put you on the spot there. Has an? Yes. Inflames inspired goalie mask.

A little question mark at the end of that. It sounded like his heart. Is it Ann George? I love Goldie Masks. There's some sick ones out there. It's pretty sweet looking. There's some metal ones out there. This isn't a precedent, too. The Sabres are my team, so I'm sorry to hear that. I had to stop watching hockey last year until the playoffs because I just couldn't watch them. It was so bad. Dude, I used to have the on-ice package every year.

I get the games I want, but I had the on-ice package so I could watch everything. And I was watching the Devils Buffalo game one time that was broadcast from Buffalo. So it was the Buffalo broadcasters. And I kid you not, dude, and they were just fucking beating them down. And I'll never forget, dude, the broadcasters were like, it was like they'd just given up on life, dude. They were like, I swear to God, they were like, wow, these guys are just really, really punishing us tonight.

You know what I mean? They were sort of like praising the other team at some point. Yeah, there's always so much you can do when your team's that bad. If you're Rick Jennerette and always been disappointed every year, you really have no hope for anything anymore. Rick Jennerette, God bless him. He's been there for so long. I don't know if he retired. I don't know if he's doing games this year or not. His son picks up a big part of it. Yeah, because he doesn't do

the road trips anymore.

No.

But yeah, he's one of the best voices in sports broadcasting.

Just love the guy.

So for Mama Hides the Cookies.

For Mama Hides the Cookies.

Yep.

Oh, God, he's got so many of them.

But yeah, that good match made me very happy.

So things can take off.

Hopefully.

Hopefully.

Speaking of hockey, I see it was Ovi's birthday the other day.

For you Washington Capitals fans.

Yep.

Duke.

Hey, baby.

All right.

What's next?

So I was glad to hear that a grand jury has indicted the piece of shit.

Jesse Leroy, Matthew Jr.

In the killing of Morgan Harrington.

If you recall, Morgan Harrington went missing after attending a Metallica show in Virginia.

I believe it was.

I think it was down by Virginia Tech, I think.

It sure was.

Oh, that's right.

Yeah, I think.

I don't know if it was in Virginia.

The guy was from Virginia Tech. So the show might have been from Jersey. Anyway. Yeah, regardless, you know, Metallica got involved with the search for and they were literally out there looking for him. No, they were supporting it. And I think, you know, I think they put up a reward money and things like that, trying to help out. And unfortunately, eventually they did find her body. And for a while it was pretty cold.

But then this piece of shit killed somebody else. And they sort of tracked him back. Yeah, he's already indicted for another murder. Yes. Oh, I hadn't heard this. And so they managed to tie him to this one as well. And so hopefully they throw the fucking book at this guy because he's a piece of shit. I had not heard any of this. So, yeah. Yeah, I hope they do, man. I mean, there's a few slow stories every once in a while. Somebody, you know, goes missing on the way home from a metal show or.

or a car accident or something.

Yeah, it's terrible, dude.

Was he like a rapist, George, I guess is the thing?

Yeah.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Exactly.

I was glad they indicted him.

And I think they indicted him.

I was watching a little news piece on it.

Because he's already indicted and on trial for the other murder that he committed.

But they're not sure how that trial is going to go because of the evidence against him or something.

So that's why they indicted him on this one.

They wanted to get the indictment through to make sure that one of them sticks basically. Sort of like when they had the sniper trials here. They had him in Maryland DC and Virginia I think all three. Is that correct? That's correct but they knew VA would get it done and you know quick. Yeah so you know but they made sure to you know bring charges in all those places just to make sure they got him. Yeah. VA I think ultimately executed him but yeah. And it is it was in Virginia this show by the way you were right about

that it was actually it was actually at it was actually at virginia at the university the show was in the event center or something okay okay why don't we move on to our new releases i know buke will be uh checking out this first one uh the band aries kingdom is releasing a new album called the unburyable dead according to microsoft word

is not a word.

Yeah, I see.

Yes.

These guys actually contacted me.

They contacted you?

Yeah.

They said, hey, we need an album name.

Oh.

Ah, yeah, yeah.

I'm not.

And actually, he was probably trying to tell them it was unbearable, but I guess we're like, fuck it.

I think it's unbearable.

I have mentioned these guys in the past that whenever you get to one of their vinyl records,

It's really slick packaging. I recommend if you've never heard anything from them, in addition to getting this new album, check out their 2010 release, Incendiary. Hell yeah, good stuff. I was going through some of these because I hadn't heard Ares Kingdom, and I listened to, was it Demoralize, the single that they put out? I thought it was pretty good. I'm hoping that that was more of a demo version that I heard, because I didn't really care for the production quality.

on it.

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Who are they?

What label are they on?

I mean, they're obviously some little.

Are they putting out their shit?

Yeah, it's a small label, I believe.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This next one I am loving is the new My Dying Bride called Feel the Misery.

If you remember when we did our most anticipated albums of the year, this was on my list.

And it's because one, they're back in the studio where they recorded some of their early stuff.

And it was hoped that they would return to that earlier sound.

Ah, yeah, and it was kind of like that. I did hear a little bit of violin on there, which, you know, was part of their early sound.

Yeah, so the album is at least partly based on the passing of Aaron Stainthorpe's father, which, you know, the Valonfire album by Gregor McIntosh from Paradise Lost was also based around the passing of his father.

And that was just one hell of a emotional record. And I got to tell you, Feel the Misery is very, well, I mean, it's a My Dying Bride album. So of course it's full of doom and gloom. But, you know, I think this one's pretty personal. And I really dug it the first time through. Right on. Very cool. I've never been a huge My Dying Bride fan, but... Now's your opportunity. The problem is I like the music.

I don't care for the vocals all that much. Is it the clean ones or the harsh ones that you don't like? What's that? Is it the clean vocals or the harsh vocals that you don't like? It's just his voice overall. The kind of whiny sounds? Well, for me, if I don't care for the vocals on an album, regardless of how good it is, it just kills it for me. And I don't know if there's just something about his vocals that don't do it for me. But a lot of respect to the band.

a long time and they keep killing it. I have to say this next one I just realized came out two days ago and I haven't bought it yet. I've got the promo for it. I beat you to it. But I want to get it on Bandcamp so I can get the flack file. The new skepticism album Ordeal is now available. It's good. I like it now. I got it when it was released. Right on. I will be picking that up as soon as I can. I took my first listen to it yesterday and fantastic. Yeah. I'm liking it.

These guys wouldn't shut up about them after Death Fest last year. So they've been on my radar for a while. I did listen to the last record based on that. But this new one, it's great, dude. It was one of the ones I put on my Remember This Is Coming Out list. I listened to The Departure getting ready for today's show, and I loved it. It was awesome. Right on. Another Funeral Doom album that releases this week is a band that actually just came on my radar.

Aeons.

This is, I mean, if you like the skepticism, you might dig this one, too. It's funeral doom of the slowest, sludgiest type. Yes, it is. With the vocals, like, way back in the mix, so it sounds like they're, it's one of those, it sounds like the vocals are coming out of the grave. Yep. Very good. I'm not really a fan of this next one, but I know Jay and Bukar. This is the new Wind Hand album, Grief's Infernal Flower.

I'm totally down with this one too. Just some classic Doom with some beautiful female vocals on it. I like the chick getting into the metal thing. There's one all-female Doom band. Is it Lucifer? Is that the all-chick Doom band right now? They're not all-female, no. I think they have a male drummer in Lucifer, right? Yeah, maybe you're right. They have a male merch guy. The other one, somebody's got to move the amps.

Yeah, I don't know what it is. I was starting to get introspective and be like, am I a misogynist? Because I really don't like a lot of women in metal. You've told me that before. I don't. It's not that I don't like women. I'm sure I like women. They just don't like you. Yeah. Well, that's nothing new. But it's just sort of the style. I don't like a lot of doom bands with women singers. You know, I didn't.

I had a classic record picked out a couple weeks back and I was going to ask you

and I didn't I ended up not doing it and I'm not gonna but what did you think of Wendy O. Williams in the 80s? I wasn't a fan. I liked how crazy and outrageous she was. Didn't really care for the plasmatics too much. But that's the thing is there are plenty of women in metal that I adore. I mean Warlock and Doro Pesh. I love her. I've loved her for

25 years at least.

Did you like Arch Enemy when Angela Glassow was in there?

I guess the new lady too, I don't know.

No, but that's because that was weird for me because I liked Arch Enemy when a dude was singing.

Gotcha.

And so that was weird.

But, I mean, Immortal Bird.

That was what I was going to throw out.

That's awesome.

You know, Ray, she's badass, you know.

And Mirkur, which I'm going to be mentioning again here a little later.

I love that album.

I love that album.

Yes.

Yeah, so, you know, I think I'm redeemable. I don't think it's anything against women. I think I just don't care. I really hate all the, like, epica-type symphonic metal-type stuff with women. Yeah, I'm with you there. Nightwish. I will say that there's a lot of great female vocalists in Doom. Avatarium. I like Avatarium.

They're okay. Unfortunately, they're

now I have Uda Pankin,

I think, or something like that was her name. I forget.

Ula or Uda. She left the band

just as their last album came out.

Mount Salem, they're pretty good.

We have mentioned it on the pod, and I was listening

to them last night while playing some hockey

with my teammate, Jay Dickinson.

The band Demon Lung.

Yeah, I didn't like them.

She doesn't really sound like a chick, by the way. That could easily be a young King Diamond or something. That's not it. I mean, the lower register of King Diamond. Honestly, I didn't know that was a chick until I read that that was a chick. Person's pretty good. I know Puclex them. Yes. And also, one I threw out a while back, and I don't know about the whole record, but there was a single by them that was this band, Rosie Finch, and I really dug this. That wasn't so bad either. Yeah, I dug that.

I haven't heard. There's a really good doom band out of, I think they're from California, called Church. You can find them on Bandcamp. Will was talking about that. Their album is very good, and that's a female vocalist. Will doesn't know what he's talking about. That's called throwing some shade out to somebody who can't fucking defend himself. That's nice. Exactly. Yeah, I would just, you know, next time he hands you a beer, I don't know if you want to drink it.

Careful. Might be a little piss in there. Or I mean, it could just be a Chorus Light. It's hard to tell sometimes. Yeah, that's true. Oh, yeah, Chorus. Yeah. All right. Our last new release is another Doom album. This is the band Witch Sorrow and their new album No Light, Only Fire. I'm looking forward to this one. I remember when their last one came out. It was one of my beach vacation listens and it was pretty awesome. You know, there's a million, this just also just, this drives the point home to me, which is, and I've known this for a while, but there's a million

and John years they're all they're all successful in their own way but doom is the fucking thing right now dude that is like the thing that is leading the charge in metal and i'm not saying it should be it's just i think it's because the the uh the hipsters can do it they can get into that yeah it kind of bugs me because i really love doom and then you hear people like godless like talking smack about it and i feel like defensive but i can kind of understand why you know i i'm in my own little secluded metal world most of the time and i don't realize that

there is a lot of hipster doom bullshit going on out there that's ridiculous. Yeah, there's a lot of it coming out now. And I love it too, George. I'm a huge doom fan. That's what I write to. That's what I play when I'm writing. But yeah, there is just a ton of it coming out, more than I can even keep up with. And just to prove the hipster thing, there's a lot of beards at an electric wizard show, you know what I mean? Beards, not beards. It was the same way. Last time I went to see Mastodon,

with Clutch not that long ago. I never saw so many fucking beards in my life, dude. The hipsters are starting to come to us. I was going to take pictures and send them to the boys, but I didn't. I just saw, speaking of Clutch and Mastodon, they're coming to Tucson here, I think next month. I just told Colt we got to go. I'm a huge Clutch fan. I love Clutch. Dude, I forgot you were around here. I totally forgot you were in Tucson. Oh yeah, that's right.

This is your old town, you said, right? At least for a little while. No, I was there for, I don't know, a while. I mean, a good matter of five to ten years. And I go, you know, my mom's there. I go, I come back every year for holidays and stuff. So what side of town are you on? I'm right. I'm literally right by the airport. It's the airport's like five minutes away from me. Oh, OK, sure. Yeah. Yeah. It gets a little noisy here at times because you got the airport.

and the air force base so yeah that's flying up yeah i used to i used to live out there um by the airport too at one point down by the river oh yeah um the um i'm moving this on because we are getting into our top three and i'm kind of excited about this it's fiend um themed

Was your best-wärts?

I was like oh well I could you know I could say cannibal corpse any song and you know yeah that was easy I stayed away from death metal completely I have a prediction I don't have too much faith in this but I have a little prediction and it's that at least one person and I think it's going to be Buke is going to name one that is already that already is a movie I was like among the living yeah or like Phantom of the Opera somebody we'll see how it goes

Bukes making the face of gee thanks for having so much faith in me Jay. No Bukes double checking his list. This list is straight fucking five finger death punch middle America. I'm not as. That's the scariest thing of all guys. You guys are fucking like George is like yeah this song would be scary because it would be weird to be chased by like your inner demons.

down a dark street with one street lamp and stuff. No, I'm not that fucking smart. Let's light this candle, dude. We're going to start with you. You're going to start with me? I actually came up with four. That works. My honorable mention goes to Acid Bath, New Death Sensation. That would be great. That would be awesome. That's not so much metal, so I put it as an honorable mention. Fair enough.

And then my number three would be the band that you guys introduced me to, Alkaloid with Cthulhu. I was thinking about going with like Hadron Machinist. Oh, there you go. Because I just thought that would be interesting. H.P. Lovecraft movies are impossible too. They'll never make a good one, but I hear you, dude. Yeah, Cthulhu's, that's the best monster you'd eat Godzilla for breakfast. I read that every year in October. I read that every year for Halloween.

All right, well, I have an honorable mention as well. Oh, wait, did you do your three or just your honorable mention? He did. Okay, I'm sorry. I did my honorable mention and my number three. Okay. So, and I got two off of the same record, and I couldn't decide which one to go with, and I decided to add the second one when you did your honorable mention, because why not? And it's Kill Again by Slayer off of Hella Waits. Obvious. Oh, there you go. Yeah, it's a murder song, you know, slice and dice.

It was really Slayer's first serial killer song and it's not about anybody specific. But I will make my actual number three a record from that same album called Necrophiliac, which pretty much speaks for itself. Death porn. Perfect. I thought about being silly and going with cannibal corpses, orgasm through torture and calling it snuff porn. That's probably, I'm sorry to say, you may not have created that term. No, of course not.

This is an old man's child. And a song that I think is kind of talking about your inner demons inside your head. Walking down the street, life's like only one lamp. Yeah. This is the track, My Demonic Figures. Wow, dude. Everyone's like, what the fuck? That's a great album. You went abstract. I think that's cool, dude. You just made the best. Listen to these lyrics. In my world where emptiness lies and nothing but hate controls my mind.

My mountain's too steep to conquer. I'm trapped inside myself. Torn apart by my demonic figures. Images projected by my veins. A masquerade of chaos revealed by the secrets of my mind. Just fucking cool dark. Go Buke. And I'll pronounce correctly. Yes, I can read some. All right. My number three.

is Trypticon from Milena Kazmata, The Tree of Suffocating Souls. Cool. Yeah. Oh, there you go. That song is just, lyrics aside, the song is just so dark. I love the female vocals too. And yeah, you know, when I first heard this, I was like, it was almost like Cthulhu-like and it's like just intense darkness. And I'd love to see what somebody came up with working from a title like that.

the lyrics from that song what they'd come up with all right let's okay thanks me for number two i went with a classic uh atheist on the sleigh from peace of time okay i figured that'd be i figured it'd be a good slasher right on fair enough all right uh moving into my number two uh from celtic frost morbid tales into crypts of race i was looking at the at the celtic frost too

I sort of considered I considered Countess Bathory too from black metal which I

didn't but I took this instead of that so yeah I was looking they need to make it countess Bathory movie yeah

that's the problem is that they have made movies about her and so I was like I that for me I was like nope can't do that one yeah all right cool

This one's a fucking lob pitch that I just fucking knocked out of the park and I don't care. Call me a poser. But my favorite song by Cannibal Corpse, Devoured by Vermin. Oh, there you go. Yeah, that's on vile and I was, you know, that's my first and favorite Cannibal Corpse album. Listen, this would be an amazing horror movie. Countless Vermin.

Gashing at my face. Tear meat from my skull. Swarming rabid features are erased. Unrecognizable. Body covered. Rat filled innards. Shredded internal organs. It's probably based on like those old 70s movies like Ben or Willard. Yeah. Yeah. That would be a good like a 70s exploitation movie. Yeah. All right. My number two. I went a little vague on this one but I think the title alone would make an excellent movie. This is Cradle

of Filth and The Principle of Evil Made Flesh. Wow. I'm surprised that isn't one already. Yeah. Like most Cradle of Filth songs would be good horror movies. Yeah, I went through every one of their music because I'm not a big Cradle of Filth fan. I really like their first one, two, three, like four or five albums. And, you know, I went through Principle of Evil Made Flesh and Vampire. I went through Dusk and Her Embrace and Cruelty and the Beast.

I was just like, I don't even know what to choose. So it took me a while before I narrowed in on that one because I'm like, I'd just like to know what that would be about. Exactly. All right. Fiend, number one. Number one. I went real old school with some Jeff Waters Annihilator. Allison Hell. Nice. I could see Bukes smiling from across. I didn't even have to see him to know he was going to freak out about that.

I'd have loved to have known what that story was going to be. Yeah, oh, exactly. It's got to be. You come in here and you fucking make it. George and Jay, get off the fucking podcast. Yes. You're talking about one. Every time, you can say that. It doesn't even have to be in this top ten. You can just say, in this top three of this, you can just say Alice in Hell and Duke will fucking freak out like that every time, dude. Love that. Love that fucking band. And I probably have mentioned it so many times.

And every time I do mention it, George is like, yeah. Yeah. I saw them on the tour for Alice in Hell when they opened for Megadeth. So all I can say is been there, done that. You know what I mean? I love that album when it came out. But I understand the enthusiasm you have for it because I had that 25 years ago. It's an awesome, like, totally underrated album from, what did that come out, like, 88, 89? Yeah. Something like that. I think, yeah. You know, Buca, when we did our top three Canada band,

I thought I did you didn't put an I later on your Canada list I

looked up

Annihilators Wikipedia page when I was doing this and just there's like a page of like former members

It's been such a rotation through that band cool dude. Well good choice. All right, Jay number one

My number one is the title track off of Merciful Fate's Melissa record because just like Buke always has to say, oh Beth, I gotta see Merciful Fate. But it is a truly great, King Diamond is a great horror writer as it were and that kind of thing. And that song is basically about Satanist guy who kind of loses his girlfriend. It's a long story. Well, it's not a long story, but it's a great story. So anyway, Melissa. That'd be a great name for a movie too, Melissa. That's a good name for a horror film. Yeah. Oh yeah. All right, Buke, number one.

I was pulling up my list going back I'm going back to the well for my boys in bloodbath bathing blood there you go that's a conscious battery - yeah a little bit all right George bring the lyrics this time yeah no lyrics that time just just bathe in it just just let it yeah like Slayer when they do raining blood live on stage in the blood dips on though all right well my number one I didn't choose a

so much as an entire album and he always has to one up us you know King Diamond them oh that's good I was just when when Jay just said Melissa from King that's the first thing that popped in my head was how did I not pick them yeah yeah we're rolling it and I actually I considered Abigail more seriously than that but I kind of got Abigail in the brain right now but yeah I think that's a totally I would make a super kick-ass movie yeah

That's my favorite King Diamond album of all time. Mine too. Them? Yeah. Love it. Them, yeah. I mean, Duke and I, it's Abigail. I know we share that in common. And then Them is a close second. Abigail. Yes, sir. That was just classic. Well, both of those. The Abigail album was pretty awesome too. Yeah, right, right.

All right, let's move on to what we're listening to. What are you listening to, Fiend? I don't know if you usually do albums or songs, so I made a list of both. Let's do both. I got Spotify here. I always record them down. Late on me. What I've been listening to a lot lately.

Oh, hold on, Fiend. Give me some love. Give me some love. It starts with an A, then an H. Come on. Come on. Well, I do have that on my list, Buke. I've been listening to that a lot by Ahab. Oh, yeah. Fiend, of course, this is the first time we've talked back and forth, not on Twitter. When I told you to check out Ahab the first time, did the Giant sink in with you at first?

I've said, did it take a real

focused listen to you and be like, wow,

this is fucking something amazing?

I loved it on

the first listen through

and I've listened to it

easily a hundred times since then.

It's fucking great, yeah.

It's awesome, yeah.

I actually like

I like the Giant better than

Bolts of the Glencairig,

but Bolts of the Glencairig is

still good. It's not as

funeral doom as they've been in the past.

It's not as focused or something. Yeah, it's a little... There's a lot more clean vocals on it than on The Giant. My prediction is the two albums from now, no harsh vocals. Yeah, it might be a reasonable guess. Yeah, it might be reasonable, yeah. As far as other albums, YLB's Clearing the Path to Ascend. I'll be seeing those guys in November, interviewing them also. Fuck yes! I love that.

That album over and over again, especially while I'm writing and while I've been doing a lot of editing recently. And I just put that one on repeat. I just keep repeating it over and over and over again. What was that? I think that was my number two or three album of last year. Yeah. I came across it late. I didn't listen to it until the beginning of this year, so I missed it for last year. Otherwise, it would have been in my top ten easily. I've also been listening to the new Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats.

I didn't like the first record and I'm into this new one absolutely love that album my control was

excellent and night creepers still growing on me I think I'm gonna have to listen to this because I remember when their first album came out and I hated it yeah it didn't blow me away either but this one I like and that which is you know it's obviously in the exact opposite to you Fiend but yeah George I think you might dig it to me it's a little heavier too than the first one I've been hearing things I mean they've always gotten good reviews which I

I've been hearing, uh,

somebody else highly recommended that to me recently and,

uh,

check it out.

I have to check it out,

I guess.

Oh yeah.

Absolutely.

Dr.

Shock.

Remember they were playing downtown at the acid.

Maybe that was it.

Yep.

Yeah.

It's absolutely excellent album.

Uh,

and then I've been listening to,

uh,

the new soul fly archangel,

been listening to that quite a bit.

I'm huge max Caballero fan.

Max.

It's way back in Sepultura,

which was like,

uh,

And Sepultura's Eyes was like when I got a CD player. That was the first CD that I bought. I remember the first time I listened to that album. I was in high school and I was working at a KFC after school. And I remember I was in the manager's office. I was like whenever I would take my break, I would go in there and like munch down some chicken or something and put on my headphones. And I remember staring at the chicken ingredients.

on the freaking shelf listening to rise arise and going holy shit it's one of those pictures you know a snapshot in your brain of like you know i hear that album and i see that shelf at that kfc it's messed up that is pretty messed up you might have some issues you might want to see a psychologist about that or something talk to your therapist um and the other album um i just got the other day uh

the new hate eternal album in furnace gotta love a little death metal from that's a good i'm a huge fan of eric rutan as a producer he's done the last like few cannibal corpse albums it seems like everything he touches when he produces just comes out sounding so awesome he didn't know his tunes album yeah yeah he knows how to record death metal like nobody else he's the new andy's awesome he's the new andy sneak you know what i mean like really

Yeah, absolutely. And then some new favorite songs I've been listening to. I've been listening to a brand new Red Fang single called Why, which is actually a Fraggle Rock song. But it's awesome. It's awesome. I love Red Fang, and they do an awesome job on this. I haven't listened to this yet. I have to check that out. Cool. It's on SoundCloud. Okay. All right. Yeah, just look it up there. It's called Why.

And then I've been listening to, speaking of female vocals, Ocean's a Slumber. The song Solitude is just fantastic. Okay. You can find it on, that's on SoundCloud or the whole, it's called Blue. It's just an EP of like five songs that's on Bandcamp. It's an excellent little EP. Beautiful vocals from the singer there. I have to check that out. It sounds familiar, but I can't place it.

Yep, Oceans of Slumber. They just signed with Century Media Records, so look for probably a full length for them coming pretty soon. Sweet. Yeah, it's a very, like, bluesy Doom. I think they're from, like, New Orleans, so you get kind of that New Orleans flavor in there. Oh, fantastic. I've been spinning a lot lately. And then Pussifer, or Pussifer, however you pronounce it. Yeah. It's on Grand Canyon.

off their new album Money Shot. That is a good song by the way. I love this song. It's excellent. The title track Money Shot is spinning exclusively on Rolling Stone. If you go on the website there, there's an interview with Maynard and the exclusive Money Shot, the title song, which it's more of a techno song, so I didn't care for it as much. The Pussifer stuff is real hit and fucking miss, dude. That's all I was going to say, but I do like that song. I went and checked it out when I heard it. It's a new tool.

New Tool. Yeah, give it up. You know what I mean? He talks about that in the interview. Maynard does. He said, basically, he's like, I can't write lyrics to music I don't have yet. He was kind of calling out the band. That was the first time that he sort of sounded like, yeah, I'd like to know where it is, too, is kind of what he was saying. Yeah, which is weird, because it's kind of in contrast to what I've heard come from Danny Carey and Adam Jones that seem like it's got

So yeah, I don't know what's going on there. But yeah, I would tools one of my all time favorites. So I'll, I'll wait for him for another 10 years if I have to. I've also been listening to orchid, the new orchid sign of the witch. Yeah, big fan of them. Big orchid fan. I mean, they're basically, you know, black Sabbath era, like early 70s Sabbath, if you've ever heard orchid. Oh, yeah. I've also been spinning. I went back to

Hill's acoustic album, In Your Wings, that album just blows me away. I love it. Agreed. Yeah, I gave it a five out of five rating. Oh, you know what? Actually, I have to give you a hats off. I got that because of you, bro. That's right. I was just thinking that. I was like, oh, that's right. He was actually the one that recommended that. That's right, yeah. And I was like, I didn't even know it was out. And I went out and got it. And I completely forgot about that. It was on my list a couple months back.

Yeah, it's so good. So yeah, I spend that every once in a while because I love it. Right on. But that's like, no, that's like the five I've been listening to lately. Who's next? Jay. All right. My list is not super long, but I've been spending that new Slayer. I feel pretty friendly with that. George, I was, I'll be honest with you. I wasn't in a hurry to listen to it, but George was like, no, it's pretty good, dude. So I put it on and I'm enjoying it. Yeah, that's good. Yep. I have a feeling this is going to be on, may well be on,

Bukes list as well, but it's that Demon Lung record has come back into circulation with me. I'd listened to about two months ago. Oh, and I was going to mention that the reason it did was I read an interview with them in Terrorizer recently. No, it wasn't even an interview. It was just a review of the record. And it is based on a 70s, I think it was from the 70s, low-grade classic horror film called, it's like basically Dracula spelled backwards.

and then with an A after the D. So that's why Demon Lungs record is called A Dracula because it's based on this movie. I couldn't believe it when I heard it was based on this movie because I felt like I'm the only one who ever saw this fucking movie. That's funny because I haven't seen it either. While I'm not into the whole Twilight Vampire thing, I do like the classic horror movies. About a year or two ago,

going through and picking up all the old Dracula movies. Like the Hammer stuff. All the Hammer stuff, yeah. All the Christopher Lee. This is basically like a Hammer flick. And I got some pretty obscure Vampire and Frankenstein movies. I'm surprised I didn't see that one. I'll put a thing up on my tweet about it because it's worth watching. I've been listening to the new Satan record. We got that as a promo.

a couple of times.

Bell Witch is back in with me again.

And I've been listening to Mercur Record.

I don't know if you put that on yours, George.

And honestly, I still haven't stopped listening to Kretis.

Yeah.

Good stuff.

That's basically what we've got going on right now.

Buke?

Just got to you, Buke.

Sorry.

My wife needed me to kill a spider about the size of her fucking hand.

It's huge.

This thing was fucking massive.

If that had a song, that would have been my number one today. Okay. My number one song today is Itsy Bitsy Spider. Okay. So what are you listening to? What I'm listening to. This one, I'm going to use the word album of the year and contender. All right. This is from a band called A Flourishing

Scourge. And their album, As Beauty Fades Away. Okay, I'll put it in. They're a band from Seattle. It's a progressive death metal band in the vein of Opeth. They just released a four-track album, again, As Beauty Fades Away. Fans of Opeth, fans of that style. John sent this to me yesterday when I woke up. I've already listened to it like four or five times. What the fuck, John? Where's my copy? Pretty amazing. Yeah.

to me. I know.

Jeez.

Thanks, John.

Just like Opeth.

So this is a content.

And John and I, before we had met in person, shared Wild Run as our mid-year best of so far.

So him and I are on the fucking, we're like blood brothers.

We're matching up.

So yeah.

Yeah.

I saw you posted something about that last night and I was trying to listen to it while Barb and I were watching a movie and I got yelled at to turn it off.

I forgot to come back and check that out. So I will do that. Yep. I'm still hooked on the twitching tongues. The album comes out. Oh, dude, I didn't put that in my list. I'm listening to it too, Bukes. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but you turned me on to that, and that's a good record. And one more Doom band. I'm trying to put up my list. Hold on, my friends. Before Stephanie came here with this fucking spider, I was all together. Now I'm all fucking shaking up with some stupid spider.

Okay, this is my other one I'm listening to this week. This album came out in 2001. This is from Doom Band Before the Rain, and this is their album One Day Less. I haven't heard them in a while. They're a Portuguese Doom Band. There you go. I have to look that one up. Yeah, me too.

that I came across this week that I've been listening to first one of course we've talked about it a bunch already I've been listening to the crap out of the new mere core album M just loving that thing good right oh yeah so good she has a beautiful voice yeah yeah I'm not as keen on her harsh vocals but they but they're not bad you know in in the context of the rest of the music and then I mean the contrast between those harsh vocals and her clean vocals are just amazing

Oh, absolutely. Did you see or did you hear the acapella version of she did a cover of somebody's song? I did not hear it, whatever it was. Where is it? I'll find it here. Where did you get it? It's up on YouTube, I know. Did you see she was like recording her vocals like in a crypt? Yeah, there's a video.

on her Facebook page and they literally went down to a crypt and recorded some of the vocals from the record. She's so cool. Oh, wow. She's pretty fucking cool, dude. She is kind of cool. Here it is. She did a cover of a Bathory song. A song to haul up high. Oh, my God. I have to look it up. I love that song. Look it up on YouTube because it's not on the album, but it's an all acapella version. And it's, oh, God, it's beautiful. Oh, I'm all over that. Cool. Yeah. Yeah, it's excellent. All right.

I like their previous one.

I forget what their last album was called. It was very good. Yes, it was very good. And this last one is one that should be no surprise, but I just found out that it was out. This is from Joel Violette. Violetta! Violetta! And his side project called Oak Ash Thorn. And it's an EP called Coffee, Ale, and South Umbrian Tales.

And it's pretty cool. Sweet. Oh, definitely have to look that one up. Sounds interesting. Yeah, if you like any of the acoustic or clean Throssenblot stuff, then you probably like this because it's along those same lines. George, can I go back and mention one other album I skipped? Go ahead, Buke. Okay, I just want to give this a mention. One of our listeners, Rick Arbott,

on Twitter. He's a great loyal listener. R-B-O-N-N-I-N-8-9. He tweeted us an avant-garde pagan black metal type of band. This is the band Burial Shrouds. Sorry, no. The song is Burial Shrouds. The album, I don't even know how to fucking say this band's name.

Sivyaj

Yeah, good luck with that one.

Oh, I think I've heard of them. Is it kind of Viking-y folk-y?

Yeah, cool stuff. He sent this to us yesterday. I checked it out. Really cool stuff there, too.

I'll have to give that a listen. I've heard some of the earlier stuff. It was good.

Yeah, you know, we, I listen to so much music that, you know, it's hard to fucking sometimes remember all the stuff we listen to. Totally. I know. It's insane. Just an honorable mention, that new Mephiresh album, if you like some black and death, 1557 Rites of Nullification is the name of the album.

Absolutely fantastic. It's a little bit doomy. It's very definitely, and I'm not a black metal guy. I don't usually like black metal, but these guys are, it was fantastic. It was absolutely awesome. I reviewed it last week, so you can find it on the site. Excellent. We usually get a lot of feedback when we do what we're listening to. I want to give Jay another love here, because this is, we're bouncing all over here again due to this fucking spider in my wife who derailed me. Jay Dickinson.

I am, yeah. Jake, thanks again for putting it in my ear. And it happened to come on on a random play of my library the other day. If you are not excited for Maryland Death Fest next year and Hail of Bullets, the fuck is wrong with you? I think that was our line to you, Mr. I don't make any fans in Death Fest. What are we talking about? Sorry, my headphones fell off. Yeah.

Yeah, we were, Jay and I were like, yeah, man, Halo Bullets and a bunch of other bands that you have yet to discover are awesome bands that are going to be playing there. So I think you got some fun times ahead, sir. It's going to be, it's going to be a bitch. And they are one of my top three most anticipated bands there, though. That's how much I like those guys. And to the best of my knowledge, I don't know that they've played the States before. I really don't know if they have. Yeah. So I'm like, that got it. Yeah. Fucking killer stuff. Yeah. If you don't know them, Fiend, check them out. Halo Bullets.

Good stuff. Nope. That's new to me. I gotta check them out. Yeah, it's sort of like a Nazi-based, like World War II medal. It's just, think of Sabaton, but harder and better. Yeah, that's a perfect way to put it. Harder and better. It's, what's his name? The singer from Asphix. Yeah, it's a bit of a supergroup type thing. I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but he's in a couple other bands. Speaking of supergroups, have any of you heard any of the Medal of Allegiance?

album? No, I haven't heard of it. I've only heard like one track off of it, but it's Alex Skolnick from Testament. Right. And it's a, I think it's just kind of a myriad of different artists that he's guesting with. It's called Metal Allegiance. I don't know the name of the album. Yeah, I saw it. I've read about it. Yeah, I just saw, I just heard a song from, that they did with Randy Blythe from Lamb of God. And it was fantastic. It's actually the self,

Self-titled album. Randy Bly is in it. Troy Sanders is in it. Phil Anselmo is on it. Chuck Billy is on it. Yeah, there's a bunch of different guests. I know it's Alex's project, Alex Kolnick's project. I didn't know Troy Sanders was on it. That's cool. Heavy metal, black metal man himself, like we talked about last episode, George. Matt Heffy is on this.

See, I never cared for Trivium. And I heard they got a new album coming out. And you're really not going to care for them now, dude. Even worse, huh? Yeah. I've never been able to get into them. Well, they went off the rails, dude. They're basically, yeah. Okay. Can you believe the ADD guy is going to pull this together? Classic album. We're our fucking classic.

All right, that's a fiend. We are first classic album Wow, I went is it's almost not metal It's more punk the exploited Let's start a war said baby one day And the reason I picked this one is when I first got this album I was like a teenager when I got this is from like

I think it's like 82 3 somewhere around there it's a little later than that I'll look it up go ahead yeah I know it's somewhere 80 something but I absolutely hated this album when I first got it I mean it was so bad I almost gave it away and then like a couple of years later if they came back to 83 yeah sorry didn't interrupt you bro oh no problem but it was one of those albums that I came back to like a couple years later and then I fell in

I got it.

And it's one of those albums that leads into early Slayer and stuff. It does. But it took me a long time to get into it. I think I got into them. I have like three of their records and it was because I think it was because I got into DRI because of Dave Lombardo. Because Dave Lombardo, they literally, the sticker on the DRI record was, they're my favorite band, Dave Lombardo. That's so true. And then I got into Exploited through somehow DRI, some interview I read or something like that.

So I have a couple of those records, and I have that record. It's a good record, dude. Oh, yeah. It's absolutely good. But it's one of those, it taught me why I never get rid of any music. Because sometimes I don't like something when I first get it, and then a couple years later, I'll go back to it, and I love it. So that's why I never get rid of anything. My classic this week is viewed as cheesy by some, not by the fellows on this podcast.

And my hat is off to him for that. It's Manowar's Into Glory Ride. I knew you were going to say Manowar. As soon as you said cheesy, I was like, oh, man. But that's a great one. Manowar is one of those bands I've never gotten into either. I bought that record the same day that I bought Ride the Lightning. I was on a trip with my family and I bought those two records and I bought Manowar only knowing they were on Megaforce, didn't know anything else about them. And I just think Eric Adams is like one of the greatest singers ever. And that record is probably his best vocal record, I think.

It was a very good album. It was great. Into Glory Ride. And it sounds like it actually sounds like Vikings made that record. It's real antiquated and strange sound and it's got a weird production style. So Snoop. Sticking with my death metal theme and the horror theme that we're going with today. This came out in 1995. One of the people say top death metal albums of all time. Suffocation pierced from within. Excellent. Good album.

Giorgio. All right. I may have done this album in the past, and if I have, I apologize. But it's an album that needs to be heard. And so if you didn't listen the first time, now you can listen to it now. This is the Finnish band called Stone, and their self-titled 1988 album. Anybody heard of these guys? Anyone? No. Nope. This is like pre-Children of Bodom.

The guitar player just actually quit Children of Bodum. I'm going to butcher the hell out of this. Rupi or Rupi or Latvala. He was the guitar player in Stone and he's the guy that replaced the guy that was on Haker Death Roll. It's thrash with semi-harsh

Harsh and more like a German thrash sort of way as opposed to an American thrash kind of way and

Just a classic album. I love this album. It came out on like

Mechanic records or something like that. It was one of those bought it on cassette back in the day

And it still holds up today as far as I'm concerned. I think it's a great album

I'm gonna check it out. Awesome. Yeah, definitely gotta check it out

Vinyl Purchase Shows!

Vinyl Purchase Shows!

Let's do our vinyl purchase. Do you buy vinyl, by the way, Fiend?

I'm not a vinyl guy.

Okay, well you can, you know, do regular purchases.

I'll just listen.

Fair enough. This is our vinyl purchase.

I'll play Buke here.

Well, if you want to, um, if you bought anything, any CDs or anything, we're happy to listen to those. Oh, I'm always, I'm always getting new stuff. Um, but most of my stuff I get sent to me anymore. Yeah. Um, but the last ones that I, yeah, the last ones that I actually bought myself, uh, the new Slayer, uh, the new Soulfly and I got one in here. Uh,

That Soulfly Archangel album is just excellent. It's one of Soulfly's best. Oh, Kronos. It's a death metal band out of, I think they're from Greece or Italy? Yeah, the Parallelian guys were talking about them. Yeah, Arisen New Era is their new album, and it's just damn good death metal around it. It's themed around Greek mythology, but it's absolutely excellent.

And I think they've only got a couple albums out. So for anybody who hasn't heard of Kronos, check them out. Kronos with a K. Just like the Greek God. Or the Greek Titan. I think Kronos was a Titan. Yes. All right, Jay. I'm dying here. Jay, what do you got? Not too much. Picked up just a few vinyls this week, or since the last time we spoke. And ironically, one of those was King Diamond Them. Just got that on vinyl. Oh, there you go.

have that for some stupid fucking reason on vinyl. I picked up in rock also, deep purple in rock on vinyl. And finally, I got the 180 gram reissue of UFOs lights outs. Pretty light week this week and not too much just straight on metal, but got to get that deep purple collection going. Oh yeah. Buick, what do you got? I don't know if I gave him a shout out and mentioned these specifics, but Neutrino from Infero picked up a couple of vinyls for me. One of my favorite

Bands 3 Inches of Blood. Picked up Here Waits Thy Doom. And he picked up Battle Cry Under Winter Sun for me. And I picked up, oh, and he also picked up Elder Lore. Elder's a good band. I like those guys a lot. And he also picked up Sentenced Frozen. Nice. And I bought, I finally found it in the store yesterday. I got the

New Slayer, Repentless, on vinyl. Loving that album still. It's going to be a while before I see mine. I think they said January. Yeah, but you're waiting for the special color and stuff. Yeah. I think you have enough albums in your collection to hold you off. Yeah, yeah. All right, well, I only have two this week. It was kind of a slow week. I finally got the vinyl for Immortal Birds, Empress Abscess. Cool. And I completed my vinyl Dark Throne collection.

with the last one I didn't have, which is Goatlord. Oh, isn't that awesome? You got them all? All 16. Wow, dude. Nice work. Damn. Yeah, it's been a work in progress. I won't be collecting that. What's that? No. I said I won't be. No, no. Well, a couple of them just finally got reissued. All right. How about a deep track? Deep tracks. Deep track. I went real deep here with a band that,

I got introduced to in like junior high that I don't know if you guys have maybe never heard of from Seattle the accused Martha Splatterhead is not yeah Martha Splatterhead Martha Splatterhead's mad story ever told uh starved to death always loved that song those first two out um that album and the album before it more fun than an open cast funeral which I'd love those two albums when they were

I was like 12-13 years old and loving those albums.

That is deep.

Yeah.

Most people don't know the EQs.

They're kind of niche market.

All right, Jay.

All right.

Jay.

I don't even know.

I think this is a deep track.

I know Buke loves this song, and I fucking love this song.

And it's off of Megadeth's Euthanasia, and a song that's called Train of Consequences.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, I love this song.

Such a good song. I don't know that it's ever I've heard it referred to a lot. I don't think it was a single but fuck that's a great song. Yeah it is. Yeah I love that song. Excellent. Puke. Since I'm going to be seeing these guys live next month and I'm on a big Phil Anselmo kick again this is from the band Super Joint Ritual. Came out their first album Use Once and Destroy. These songs four songs. Just each song. Each part of this song is a little

I got to see Superjoint live at a club show way back when that first album came out. Loved it. Fiend, I tell you, I still think Superjoint, for people of Phil Anselmo, they don't realize what they're missing by not giving it a listen. Oh, absolutely. The show, honestly, that was probably the worst show that I've seen Phil do, though, when I went to see him with Superjoint.

Because that's when he was, it was before his back surgery. Yeah. And he was really out of it. Oh, God. He was in so much pain just to try to get up on stage. How awesome was Hank III on stage? Fantastic. I love Hank III. I love, I'm not, you know, I'm a metalhead. I don't listen to a lot of country, but I listen to Hank III. Dude, Hank III's more metal than you and I. The guy fucking lives metal. Yeah. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. I would love to see one of his shows.

'cause his shows he does in like three parts. He does like his old school country and then his more rockin' tunes and then the last part of his show is just full on metal. But yeah, I would love to see it one day. But yeah, when I saw Super Joint, Phil had to stop in between every single song. And he talked for like four or five minutes in between each song. And you know Super Joint songs are only a couple minutes long, most of them anyway.

That was not the best show that I've ever seen. But it was because Phil was in tremendous pain back then. Tremendous pain. He was in tremendous pain. Good catch, George. See, the thing is, to me, I'm sitting there like, all right, okay, it sounds fine to me. I agree with George. I'm saying, okay, that sounds great. If George wouldn't have said that,

Right over my dead chair.

That wasn't the proper use?

No, he was just...

He used it properly.

Oh.

Oh.

And I corrected him with the wrong version.

Oh.

There you go.

George, your deep track.

My deep track is more of a hard rock than metal song.

I'm taking a cue from Bukes' deep track last week, going down the hard rock route.

I was listening to this album yesterday, and it just sort of occurred to me as I heard this song. I was like, this is my deep track. Right now, I'm reading the book, the biography of Freddie Mercury called Mercury. And so this is Queen from their A Night at the Opera album. And it's the track that I never hear anything about, yet it's my favorite song on the album. It's 39.

Don't even know it, but I'll check it out.

I was going to say, I'd have to look it up.

It's deep, man. I'm telling you. It's a very, very deep. Huge album, deep track. It's actually sung, it was written and sung by Brian May as opposed to Freddie Mercury. But they all sing back up on it like they always do because they're such badasses. They were such badasses. I mean, you know, that is the opera. The vocal harmonies on this album are just to die for. They're ridiculous. This song, it has sort of a folky,

feel to it. It sounds like it's maybe acoustic. It's jangly. And the lyrics are interesting because it comes across as sort of this old-timey, perhaps pioneering kind of song. And you're thinking 39, I don't know, 1939, 1839. But when you read the lyrics and find out what the song is about, it's actually about space pioneers.

Brian May is like a PhD in astrophysics or something. And back here in 1975, he wrote this song basically about based on Einstein's theory of relativity. And these people get on this ship and they travel far away, you know, at faster than light travel. And when they come back, it's only been a year for them, but everybody they know is dead and gone.

And, you know, everybody's, it's so much time has passed since they left and it's only a year for them. And it made me think of, that it was actually appropriate for Fiend being on because to me, that's a freaking horror story. Right, yeah, yeah. You know, it's like, and I'm a huge science geek, which you guys probably don't know. And, you know, I was kind of a math science guy, you know, when I was younger. Right on. And I don't know if you saw like Interstellar or,

Even the Marvel Captain America movies, being out of time like that where you don't know anybody alive, that's scary. You wouldn't even want to live because what's the point? Everybody you know is gone. Everyone you know is dead. It's like being in prison. Hey, wait, I am a little old. I have actually thought of that. I've thought of that before. I was like, there'll be this point where they'll be like,

There'll be nobody in my family I can pick up the phone and call. You know what I mean? That's fucked up. Yeah. I'm assuming they all die before me, which is, you know, my plan. And then we rule the world. Yeah, basically. So yeah, that was my overly involved explanation of a very simple song. Totally worth it. That's all right. Wouldn't expect any less from you. Thanks. I just reached out to Dallas Toler Wade from our

of Nile. He says the tour is going well. Right on. Anybody listening overseas, if you're fucking a fan of Nile, they're on tour through the end of the month. Nice. Oh, yeah. And speaking of Nile, their last album is, or their new album is just fantastic. It is. I wasn't a big Nile fan before, and I love this album. It's fucking brutal, dude. It's really good. It just starts off just like a thousand miles an hour right away. And that's who they are, but I like it. I think it's really good.

Yeah, absolutely. It won me over his man. Cool. All right. Well, we're about to wrap this up. Do you have anything you'd like to mention, add, or pimp before we get out of here? I have another story being published with Dark Traptors Press that'll be out hopefully here in the next couple of months in another collection called Kids. I wrote a story called The Bones of Baby Dolls, which you guys should recognize as the

It's a bad song. Sounds interesting. It's a very terrible story about a little girl who is extremely curious, let's just say. In a bloody way. Born to a father who can't pronounce words, who's a metalhead, likes video games. Sounds oddly familiar. I think he might have to make an appearance in another story.

I'll put the metalheads in a story. There you go. That would be awesome. That would be awesome. Take over. But that's about all I got coming up. Other than on our site, you know, obviously everything that we do. And your guys' website and Twitter. Throw a thought there for everybody. Thydemonsbescribbling.com is the website. At Demons Scribblers on Twitter. Or our Facebook page.

It's just thy demons be scribbling. Excellent. Fiend, may I speak for George and Jay here and thank you again from the bottom of our metal black hearts. Thank you guys for having me on. You guys have done more for us to help spread the Metal Heads podcast. Than any of us have. Yeah, than we have. We are truly, truly thankful for all you do.

you on here and you know you and Colt will be welcome back again. Man, dude, you're obviously a nice fucking guy too, dude. It was like, I'm so glad you didn't turn out to be some dipshit or something because it was just like totally fun to talk to you. Here you go. Well, thank you. And next time I'll even get my camera working so you guys can see me too. Sounds good. All right. Well, before we go, make sure to check us out on Facebook.

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.com. Fuck yeah. All right. This is the part where we would normally play you some music, but we don't have any music to play you. So we'll just say, see you next time. See ya. Yeah.